The same God?

How do we know that we and the muslims are not worshiping the same God?
We are worshiping the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob are we not?
Some say Jesus is God some say he is the son of God.
Since most christians can’t agree on much then we could be wrong on this too.
Could we all worship the same God?;j

I’m pretty sure I’m not worshipping the Muslim God.

God in the old testament seemed similar to, well he could have been the same God as the muslim God.
A lot of violence in the old testament.

Actually, I believe that all Gods are one-and that everyone is just reaching God in their own way.

As far as I can tell the God of Abraham is The God of all three religions.

Of course, I guess it could be denied that the God of these three is the God of Abraham depending on what your definition of is is. :wink:

There is a fair bit of debate over what He said to whom when, how and why though.

We being ho exactly? We Buddhists or we Pagans or we Wicans or…?

There can be only One.

And her name is Suzette.

Is Allah the only god you are not worshipping, or is this a broad-spectrum rejection?

Oh, just Allah. I guess I just have it in for Him.

Are you for real?

Islam and Christianity both revere the same God that can be found in the Jewish Torah. Christians must accept the entire text of Judaism that predates Christ, or else their religion does not make sense (Jesus is regarded as the Messiah that was promised, a promise from Judaism) - Islam also accepts the same God and prophets (but places Mohammed above all other prophets) as Christianity and Judaism; there’s a reason why Jews and Christians are regarded as “people of the book” by Islam and given elevated status.

Apos, there is already too much religious intolerance in this day and age.

I, for one, am very committed to not worshiping any of them. Not Allah, not Deus, not Gott, not Jehovah, not Dios, not even Dieu.

.:Nichol:.

Muslims believe in the same God that spoke to Moses and to Jesus.

The main difference is that Muslims do not believe in the Trinity (and neither do Jews, for that matter). Muslims also do not believe that Jesus was the son of God, or God in human form, neither do they believe that he died on the cross for our sins. In fact, Islam describes Jesus as another prophet in a long line of prophets, albeit a highly respected one.

However, Muslims do believe that Jesus is the Messiah, and they do believe in the virgin birth. Many christians are quite surprised when I mention this, but it just goes to show that there is more in common between the two religions than many people realise.

The basic Islamic position is that the Torah was God’s word when it was given to Moses, but people subsequently strayed and altered/corrupted the srcipture over time. Later on, the Bible was also God’s word when it was given to Jesus, but again people edited and changed it over time, and subsequently strayed again.

Muslims believe that Mohammad was therefore the final messenger that was sent to mankind - and that there will be no more Prophets after him. They believe that the Quran was the final word of God as revealed to Mohammad through the archangel Gabriel, and they believe that it re-states the original and pure message of God that was given in the original torah and bible.

Finally Muslims believe that the words of the Quran are sacrosanct, and to edit or change it in any way is a blasphemy.

So in short, yes, Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same “Abrahamic” God. It’s just that Muslims believe the other two faiths got a little lost along the way…

If it is the same God, then how can he insist on such different treatment of women?

In the old testament, a good wife brings food from afar, she buys property and develops it using her own judgement, she makes goods, and delivers the goods she makes to the merchants. This seems a bit contrary with the role of women in Islam. How is this reconciled if it is the same God?

Dude, I’m sorry, but that argument just seems a bit ridiculous to me. I don’t really want to hijack this thread by turning it into a debate on the rights of women in Islam, but since you brought the point up…

First of all, Islam gives and guarantees many more rights to women than they currently enjoy under some of the more oppressive cultural systems.

Islam gives women the right to own and manage their own assets and property, it gives them the right to divorce, and to engage in trade and business, etc.

For example, the Prophet Mohammad’s first wife was called Khadija. Not only was she older than him, she was a prosperous and successful merchant in her own right, as well as his employer.

However, many people think that Islam oppresses women and relegates them to the role of mindless chattel and possessions. The truth is that it’s the cultural and traditional practices of countries such as Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan that are oppressive.

For example, nowhere in the Quran does it say that women are forbidden to go to school. in fact, the Quran makes it clear that the search for knowledge and the duty to better onesself through learning are obligatory for both men and women.

The fact that the Taliban banned women from going to school or from even leaving their homes has nothing to do with mainstream, doctrinal Islam. Rather, it is a perversion of the equality and respect which is taught in the Quran.

So please don’t try to tell me that Islam oppresses women.

Finally, even if such abuse was doctrinally mandated, it doesn’t mean that they don’t worship the same God.

In the Torah, God tells us not to eat pork, but Christians do. Does that mean they don’t worship the same God?

In the Torah, God says to “smite our enemies, hip and thigh”, But in the Bible he tells us to “turn the other cheek”. How do you reconcile those differences? Does that mean that Christians and Jews don’t worship the same God?

Just because each of the three scriptures don’t always agree precisely, doen’t mean that the source isn’ the same.

And Islam doesn’t oppress women, although some Muslim countries have adopted oppressive practices and traditions. (Just thought that was worth repeating).

Most Christians agree on the matter that Jesus Christ is God. He is God and is the Son, just as the Father (Adonai) is God and is the Father.

Look up “hypostasis” and “oousion”.

Well, Jesus said He was the only way.
So either He was wrong, lying, or there is only One way, and that would be Jesus.

the Gospel that was revealed to Jesus, the Messiah, has been corrupted. It was centuries before it was systemize and canonized.

The Quran has been carefully preserved from the get go. Mohammed brought the final revelation from The God.
through Jesus, Christianity fulfilled Judaism. Jesus prophesied Mohammed’s coming and the noble Quran.
through Muhamhed, Islam fulfills Christianity.

So you see it’s all The God. There is no god but The God. The God of Abraham is The God.

Over time, for various reasons, the Gospel has been misrepresented, corrupted and had parts added to and taken from it. The God gave us the Quran to correct this.

No. these are not the only options. You didn’t mention the true option - what really happened.
What happened is not that Jesus was wrong, or that he lied, just that the record of Jesus’ words have been distorted and misrepresented.
He didn’t say what many christians are taught that he said.

That’s fine,** Summertime**, but how did Moses reach God. Through Jesus? Did Moses specifically call upon Jesus to reach God? Oh wait, isn’t Jesus also God? Is it possible that from a “christian” point of view that muslims and jews and others who pray, actually pray to Jesus as well without ascribing the specifics of the actual nature of God that we christians have come to understand ?