I don’t think so. A very close, lifelong friend of my family served time with with guys like kenny. My friend was an MD who got sent up for exchanging drugs for sex. He was over 60 at the time. He was in a minimum security prison with lots of white collar criminals. They didn’t live like they did on the outside, of course, but the conditions were far from brutal. The demographic for the prisoners there also meant there just weren’t really any 300 lb. lifers waiting for the first opportunity to beat up and/or sodomize another prisoner.
Why do prisoners fight each other, anyway? I mean, what is there to fight over? Win or lose, you’ll still be eating the same food and sleeping in the same cell.
Reputation. Revenge for perceived insults. Personal dislikes. To pass the time. Pretty much the reasons you’d expect.
Reasons prisoners fight,
You do not get many stand up fights, these are far more of the ambush or sprung on from behind, and very often its several on one, which is why prisoners stick in groups and its where they derive their power on the units.
Stealing, debt, jealousy, rumours, and percieved insults - the latter is a major cause of violence.
I would doubt that a Black Muslim would have a lot of interest in sodomizing a man. Or at least I would hope not.
“They’re serving ice cream today. I like ice cream. So bring me back yours so I have two.”
“Fuck you. I’m not giving you my ice cream.”
“No, fuck you.”
And then the fight starts.
Stupidest reason for a fight I recall off the top of my head? One guy wanted to tape something to his wall. So he took a two inch piece of tape off a roll he saw in the next guy’s cube. So that guy hit him with a chair because the first guy stole his tape.
Stupidest reason for a serious fight I recall? One guy didn’t like the officer who was supervising the work gang he belonged to. So he tried to circulate a petition among the members of the work gang asking for another officer (which is itself against the rules). When he approached one guy that guy refused to sign saying he had no problem with the officer. So the first guy slapped him and called him a bitch. An hour later, the unit was broken out for the yard and the second guy walked up to the first guy and sliced him open with the knife he had been keeping in his cell. (And I’m not using the phrase “sliced him open” in a metaphorical sense.)
I don’t understand.
Do you think no black man ever sodomizes another man?
Or do you think no muslim man ever sodomizes another man?
Or is it the combination that you think never sodomizes another man?
Frankly, if you believe any of those, I’d say you were very naive.
No, actually he knows what he’s talking about. Assuming he’s talking about the Nation of Islam, they strongly condemn homosexuality. That said, most Muslims in prison, black or otherwise, are not members of the Nation of Islam.
again it varies place to place.
Have a friend who just got out of prison a couple of years ago here in texas. They squared off and fought about of boredom just about every day. He was in at least a fight a week, and usually no other reason other than “I wanna try this guy…” He said win or lose you were generally ok as long as you didn’t back down (he won every one he was in…guys always been pretty scary)
Right.
So did the right-wing Baptist minister who was caught soliciting a male police decoy last week, while attending a church Convention.
So did Jimmy Swaggert, until a young couple confessed to each other on their honeymoon that he had molested both of them.
So did Spokane Mayor James West, who spent years killing pro-gay legislation in Washington state, until he was caught using his office computer to solicit teen-age boys online.
Etc. , ad infinitim.
Just because a group “strongly condemns” something, doesn’t mean they don’t do it.
In fact, it sometimes seems odd to me that those who most strongly condemn something seem to be so much more obssessed about it than most people.
You’re thinking of Billy James Hargis.
Oh, probably.
Those fundamentalist preachers all run together to me.
According to that link he seduced them, rather than “molesting” them. Inappropriate, but they were apparently college students.
Isn’t the “snitch” or “stool pigeon” the lowest one on the totem pole amongst prisoners?
Couldn’t inmates also find out about molesters through newspapers etc. Then all a inmate has to do is hear a name at role-call and recall that same name from a newspaper article and put 2 and 2 together.
I would be surprised if many inmates were avid readers.
Regards,
Shodan
My husband is a Deputy Warden in a prison. He is not the end all be all of knowledge, of course, but he has some insight into this.
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The myth of brutal treatment for ALL sex offenders is false. It depends on the prison, the person and the nature of the crime.
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In general, most prisoners who are not sex offenders, hold themselves in a higher regard to sex offenders, especially “baby rapers”.
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Most prisoners are not willing to committ any serious acts of crime against a child molester. It is relatively rare.
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Child molesters, and other sex offenders, ARE targetted by other inmates for sexual assault, coercion or mutual relationships. This is likely linked into the general level fo deviant sexual behavior that exists amongst the sex offender population.
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In my hubby’s experience, female child molesters (or any female who committss a crime against children) are typically despised in the prison. Many of the women are separated from their children and they have serious problems with these criminals, especially family anihilators. In fact, my husband actually was around when the women tried to STONE a woman who killed her two children. Attempts to maintain order were rebuffed and the women would not stop. They were in a frenzy that just could not be dissipated. He describes it as the most “fucked up” situation he has ever been in and he has been in a Disturbance Level Event.
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Any studies on sex offenders are typically, inherently flawed because they focus on identified sex offenders. This of course makes logical sense when you think about finding reserach subjects. However, it is inherently flawed because the vast majority of sex offenders are not caught.
I recently retired from a federal maximum security institution in Kingston, Ontario.
The CSC (Correctional Service of Canada) has a tendency to deny this fact, but in reality sex offenders are in fact separated from the general population, and for good reason.
The CSC has a legal obligation to ensure the inmates under its mandate are safe, secure, and not subject to harm.
One of the institutions in the Kingston area has been “unofficially” designated as the primary facility to house DSO’s (dangerous sex offenders, and inmates who require long term protective custody) Kingston Penitentiary.
The unit I worked in was not a place for sex offenders.
If you killed a cop in Ontario, or got a big ass sentence for drugs, or escaped from another joint, chances are you would’ve been in my unit.
Before I continue to answer the OP’s question, there’s an important point which is overlooked thus far.
It depends where in the world we are talking about.
For example, in many southern states, crimes against women such as rape are not nearly as frowned upon as say in Canada.
If a group of men confined and raped a woman in Louisiana, this is known as “stealing a piece” as (stealing a piece of ass), and in many southern penitentiaries, this is almost acceptable and doesn’t even bring the spotlight onto an individual.
In Canada on the other hand, any crimes against women and children are looked upon in a different light, and many inmates will “deal” with these types of “low life” when given the opportunity.
The CSC is well aware of this, and that’s why it pen places most people serving a skin beef in KP (Kingston Pen) It’s also not a coincidence the regional treatment centre for sex offenders is located inside the walls of KP.
It is an entirely different story however when we discuss the goings on inside a minimum security institution. Club Fed as they are sometimes called.
These types of places house everyone, and while occasionally someone serving a sex beef will be harmed, it is fairly uncommon because the privileges are so good, inmates don’t want to risk getting sent back to the big house.
When an inmate enters the federal system, it’s extremely important during the interview process they are properly “pen placed” and put into the institution which will best serve their needs.
You don’t want to put a rapist into the cop killer unit because his chances of survival will be zero.
Why? Because prison is a sub culture, it’s entirely different than what we know, and someone who has nothing to lose will want to impress someone.
The ironic part is that although Kingston Pen is primarily a sex offender institution, it has its own “Protective Custody” unit within its walls.
The mentality can be very puzzling.
I remember working there many years ago for a 2 month period, and we had an infamous child killer in the unit, someone I can’t name, but his name is well known around the world.
An inmate said to me once “boy, what a piece of shit he is, I’d love to kill him”
The mentality is such “I only raped and killed 2 women, but that guy killed 14 children, he doesn’t deserve to live”
Even in a shit hole like KP, there’s a hierarchy amongst them that’s almost humorous.
CrazyFoo why not name to scum bag…Clifford Olson? He was lower then a snakes belly at the bottom of a scum pond. Oh sorry, am I sounding a bit insensitive here…opps, my bad. I looked after the ass when I was a correctional officer at Oakalla. The entire prison was locked down every time they had to move this dirt. He has finally been removed from the world…thank God. I’m very surprised it was not at the hands of another inmate. The diddler was so hated in Canadian prisons, he had more protection then the US President.
That just limits you to three handguns, right?