[QUOTE=CurtC]
OK, so we’re not talking about the Ten Commandments that were inscribed on the famous stone tablets
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Those were Ten Commandments SE, issued after Moses broke the first lot… (tablets, not Commandments) The original 10, having been lost, obtained a sort of mystique, and have overshadowed their successors…
Grim
[sup]Thanks for pointing out that passage to me, the minutiae had slipped beneath my radar[/sup]
[QUOTE=grimpixie]
Those were Ten Commandments SE, issued after Moses broke the first lot… (tablets, not Commandments) The original 10, having been lost, obtained a sort of mystique, and have overshadowed their successors…
Grim
[sup]Thanks for pointing out that passage to me, the minutiae had slipped beneath my radar[/sup]
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Are you sure there were only 10?
[QUOTE=grimpixie]
Those were Ten Commandments SE, issued after Moses broke the first lot… (tablets, not Commandments) The original 10, having been lost, obtained a sort of mystique, and have overshadowed their successors…
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But the Ten Commandments 2.0 were said by God himself to be the same set as TC 1.0 - Exodus 34:1 says “The LORD said to Moses, ‘Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.’”
And the set of ten commandments that are popularly known as the “Ten Commandments” (Exodus 20) aren’t referred to as “The Ten Commandments” in the text itself, but the ones in Exodus 34 are. And, the Exodus 20 ones were not carved into stone tablets.
Pedants-R-Us!
[QUOTE=CurtC]
But the Ten Commandments 2.0 were said by God himself to be the same set as TC 1.0 - Exodus 34:1 says “The LORD said to Moses, ‘Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.’”
And the set of ten commandments that are popularly known as the “Ten Commandments” (Exodus 20) aren’t referred to as “The Ten Commandments” in the text itself, but the ones in Exodus 34 are. And, the Exodus 20 ones were not carved into stone tablets.
Pedants-R-Us!
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I blame Cecil B. DeMille!!
[QUOTE=2Cor2]
15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
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-NIV
The Sabbath is not required to those under grace (believers), the law has been nailed to a tree.
The law was put in effect through angels, believers, through being adopted directly by God has equal status with His Son, and therefore above those powers:
[QUOTE=Acts 7:53]
you who have received the law that was put into effect through angels but have not obeyed it."
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[QUOTE=kanicbird]
-NIV
The Sabbath is not required to those under grace (believers), the law has been nailed to a tree.
The law was put in effect through angels, believers, through being adopted directly by God has equal status with His Son, and therefore above those powers:
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Hold on one minute.
This an especially egregious misapplication of a text. In this text Stephen was addressing the Sanhedrin and was particularly critical of them.
Here’s the surrounding text:
Here’s the whole 7th Chapter of Acts to put it into proper context.
That text doesn’t say what you said it does.
I’ll look into that the raindog, but here it is again:
[QUOTE=Galatians 3:19]
What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.
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[QUOTE=Slypork]
Hey, I agree with you. The big 10 are great but JC narrowed them down to the main 2.
Of course, George Carlin came up with a different result.
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Thank you! We should refer to him from now on as
George, the only remaining prophet.
My favorite was his explaining how coveting thy neighbor’s goods
is what drives the economy. “If your neighbor has a dildo that plays,
“O Come All Ye Faithful,” you’ll want one too.”
[QUOTE=the raindog]
That text doesn’t say what you said it does.
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the raindog my point is that the law was put into effect through (edit by changed to through) angels, after rereading that section of Acts my point stands supported.
[QUOTE=kanicbird]
the raindog my point is that the law was put into effect by angels, after rereading that section of Acts my point stands supported.
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“Law was put into effect by angels.”
Excuse me while I grind my teeth…
Some other related verses:
[QUOTE=Ro 7]
5For when we were controlled by the sinful nature,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
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[QUOTE=Ro8]
1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,** God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in sinful man,
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[QUOTE=1 Cor 15]
55"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?"[a] 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun]
So what is the deal with Christians and the 10 commandments?
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For some reason—maybe because humans naturally love Top Ten lists—there has long been a lot of fondness among Christian circles for the Ten Commandments. I remember learning them as a kid in Sunday School class. And they’re really not bad as a list of rules to live by. I certainly would rather live in a society where people don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t bear false witness against their neighbor, don’t worship manmade gods, etc.
Some of them could use a little updating: nowadays we’re more likely to covet our neighbor’s house or car or big-screen TV than his ox or his ass. And, really, who makes graven images to worship anymore? These days it’s all electronic.
I do wonder, however, at the fanatic reverence some Christians seem to have for the 10, insisting that they ought to be taught in public schools and posted in public places. And I think many people, often the very people who are so gung-ho about the 10, miss the point of some of them. As originally stated, the Sabbath one isn’t about going to church; it’s about having a day of rest, when you neither work nor force anyone else to work for you. The one about not taking the Lord’s name in vain, as I interpret it, isn’t about not shouting “Goddamn” when you hit your thumb with a hammer; it’s about not saying or doing stupid things in the name of God, not claiming divine endorsement for your own actions and prejudices (an extreme example of which would be Fred Phelps’s “God hates fags” crap).
[QUOTE=Kurt Vonnegut]
For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes. But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course that’s Moses, not Jesus. I haven’t heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere.
“Blessed are the merciful” in a courtroom? “Blessed are the peacemakers” in the Pentagon? Give me a break!
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[QUOTE=CurtC]
But the Ten Commandments 2.0 were said by God himself to be the same set as TC 1.0 - Exodus 34:1 says “The LORD said to Moses, ‘Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.’”
And the set of ten commandments that are popularly known as the “Ten Commandments” (Exodus 20) aren’t referred to as “The Ten Commandments” in the text itself, but the ones in Exodus 34 are. And, the Exodus 20 ones were not carved into stone tablets.
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That does not compute. (Emphasis added.)
[QUOTE=TWDuke]
That does not compute. (Emphasis added.)
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The Old Testament is full of commandments. Exodus 20 lists some of them, including the ones commonly known nowadays as “The Ten Commandments.” Many people also have the impression that these are the ones that the Bible says were carved onto stone tablets.
However, the Exodus 20 list was never carved in stone, and was not explicitly referred to as “The Ten Commandments” in the Bible.
The Exodus 34 commandments were referred to as “The Ten Commandments” in the Bible, and they were carved into stone. That was the second time they were carved, since Moses broke the first set, but it says explicitly that the second set said the same as the first set.
Got it. I read your post as saying that Moses walked down the mountain with two different sets of commandments and only the second one was carved in stone, which is pretty much the opposite of what you wrote. Must be the weed I smoked in college.