Do fish care?

Yesterday I cleaned my fishtank. Or, actually, I started to clean my fishtank. It’s a 5 gallon wall tank, 36" wide by 13" high by 3" deep, and it sits on the mantle about 5 feet high. This makes it an awkward thing to dismantle and move around. It had gotten pretty algaed up, so I decided to completely break it down and clean everything in it.

I put the fish in a spare tank, scrubbed the tank out on the patio and replaced the gravel with clear and blue glass bits. I put the tank back on the mantle and filled it about 3/4 full, after rinsing out the filter, and put the fish back in. The plants and rocks were pretty moldy, so I left them to soak in a bleach solution overnight.

So this brings me to my question. I fed them this morning as usual, and I found myself wondering if the plants and rocks were for my benefit or theirs.

Do give a damn about the stuff we put in the tank if it doesn’t have any beneficial effect on them? Do they prefer hiding places? They don’t seem unhappy, but then again, they don’t really express themselves much anyways.

Any fish experts out there?

Not expert, no, but fish very definitely display signs of stress, die earlier and fail to breed in poorly maintained tanks.

Assuming you have a working filter pump and a large air aperture, the plants are more to provide stimulus than to help aerate or clean the water - plastic plants or a ceramic pirate ship or something will do just as well.

As for algae build up, you either simply have to clean the tank regularly or (a cleverer option) buy some small sucker fish who clean it for you and look weird all at once.

Hey, singular1, you could have saved yourself a whole lot of trouble by just putting the bleach straight into the tank before you went to all that effort of emptying and disassembling. I mean, you wanted to kill the fish all along, right?

Or, are you planning to use those plants and rocks to decorate the driveway after you remove them from the bleach solution?

How would you feel if your owner took out the drapes and furniture, soaked them in bleach overnight, and then put them back into your house? Huh?

Poisoned?

I understand your desire to get rid of algae, but you could be causing more harm than good to your fish by doing so the way you’ve described. First of all, when you clean your filter system (and you should be doing so monthly), make sure you aren’t cleaning whatever part of it contains the “beneficial bacteria” – that which cycles your tank and keeps it healthy for your fish (for instance the sponge media or bio-wheel, depending on the filtration system you’re using). Killing off the bacteria that converts ammonia (fish waste and excess food particles) to nitrites and nitrates can cause ammonia levels to become toxic in a very short time.

Also, while it’s advisable to “vacuum” the substrate (the gravel on the bottom) to remove decaying waste and food, some of the beneficial bacteria is also living in the gravel, so scrubbing it clean is also potentially hazardous to your fishes health.

Make sure you thoroughly rinse anything you’ve soaked in a bleach solution before putting it back in your tank.

The best way to control algae is to prevent it in the first place. There are several things that contribute to excessive algae which are very easy to control. First of all, if your tank is getting too much light (whether from the artificial light from the tank hood or from direct sunlight), either use the hood light less frequently or move the tank out of the sun.

Secondly, if you’re feeding your fish more than once per day (in spite of what the morons at Petco tell you or the fish food manufacturers put on their labels because they want to sell more food), cut back to once a day feedings. Trust me, your fish will not starve to death – in fact, they’ll be MUCH healthier, as will their environment. Also, if you have room enough in your tank for additional fish, get one (or more, if you get schooling fish such as clown loaches) that is/are bottom feeders. They’ll help keep the tank clean by eating the food that falls to the bottom so there’ll be less waste to decompose in the tank.

You could also get fish that are algae eaters. Some of them are actually called algae eaters and others, such as mollies, aren’t considered such, but still enjoy eating it. Don’t make the mistake, though, that adding one or more algae eating fish will eliminate all the blooms (even you couldn’t finish all the food on a buffet!). Apple (or mystery) snails are fun and interesting tank additions, but they also will not keep your tank clean of algae, so don’t mistakenly rely on them, either.

Also, you should be doing 25-30% water changes monthly. Bodies of water in the wild are able to cycle completely, as they’re considered “open” environments. That means fish and food waste creates ammonia, the beneficial bacteria converts it to nitrite, then to nitrate and, in a body such as a lake or a pond, nitrates are then absorbed into the atmosphere. In a closed enviroment, like a fish tank, the cycling process ends with the accumulation of the nitrates. The only way to reduce them is to siphon off some of the water and replace it with nitrate-free water periodically. However, you want to be sure to treat any tap or bottled water before adding it directly into the tank, as it contains harmful chlorines and chloramines. And never change more than 50% of the tank water at a time (and then only under the most dire circumstances), as this can (and will!) cause fish stress which can kill them.

Here’s a web page that has some good information on treating algae: http://faq.thekrib.com/algae.html

Good luck – I hope you can get it all under control!

You put them in BLEACH??? You aren’t even supposed to use soap on things that go in your tank! Like, ever! Like if you use a bucket to fill the tank, it should be used only for the tank and never have soap in it.

Yikes!

Also, never change all of the water at once–it’s very harmful to the fishies.

Third… my tank needs to be cleaned sooo bad. It was getting rather green, and then I went on vacation for 2 weeks. When I got back it was positively fluourescent and opaque :X

I’ve been changing out 20% of the water every other day to try to gradually clear it. Anyone have any tips on this?

If you must clean a fish tank transfer the fish to a clean vessel with water from the tank thay have been in.

Remove the gravel, filters, etc.
Scrub the inside of the tank with SEA SALT from the acquarium store.

Aw S…t____ just go buy a good book on the care and feeding of tropical fish. It will be a lot cheaper than new fish every time you have to clean house.

P.S. Some of the books won’t tell you to condition new water to add to the tank with sodium hypochlorite, it neutralizes the chlorine which by no you should have gathered is anathema to tropicl fish and even gold fish even if they are a hardier species.

I know they like hiding places, for sure. And my poor beta – when no one would pay attention to him, he would sit on the bottom of the jar (it was big, trust me, it was not the dinky crap they say betas “can” live in that are like 4" by 4"). But if my dad (who also spoils his dog rotten) speaks to it every morning/etc, it would literally go ape shit, “wagging its fin” and running around its jar for a while.

For a while it was doing bad, real bad, than I got home from school and it was better for a while. It finally passed away over the summer though, while I was working at a camp. :frowning: Poor thing.

I have a betta in my tank. It’s a 29 gallon and he is… population control for the platys that I have in there who keep having babies. (He only eats the teenie tiny ones. He doesn’t pester any of the other fish at all.)

Thanks, everyone, for all the info. Now to clear a few things up, so you don’t think I abuse my fish:

  1. The tank was only without plants and rocks overnight. I didn’t leave it all plain - I was just curious if they cared as much as I do. The tank now is back to its former marine splendor, looks beautiful, and the fish are happily swimming in and out of the holes in the rocks.

  2. Although I did empty the tank (and scrub it with only a brush reserved only for the fish tank), I kept about 1½ gallons of the old water to add back. I also used the water I took out to rinse the filter sponge, not tap water. Bacteria level maintained.

  3. I have used the bleach method ever since being told about it by my fish store, which is not a soulless chain but an authentic “we really care about the fish” store. The accessories are soaked overnight. Then I put them in a colander and run it through the dishwasher with no soap. Then I let it sit under the shower in the same colander for about a half hour, just in case there was any residue in the dishwasher, I’ve been doing this for a few years and never lost a fish afterwards.

  4. I do usually change out 25% of the water once a month, but having just moved, it got the best of me. And I do feed just once a day.

  5. Although the tank looks big, it is only 5 gallons, so I’m very cautious about adding fish. I did add a plecostomis (sp?), and he’s having a high old time on just about every surface in there. I’m going to keep a close eye on the chemical balance in the tank for a while, just to make sure it isn’t overpopulated.

I can’t wait for the day I feel secure enough in my job that I know I won’t have to pick up and move again, and I can go back to bigger tanks again, but for the moment, I have to stick with little tanks. I was glad to find one that was so small but looked so big!

Thanks, everyone, for all the info. Now to clear a few things up, so you don’t think I abuse my fish:

  1. The tank was only without plants and rocks overnight. I didn’t leave it all plain - I was just curious if they cared as much as I do. The tank now is back to its former marine splendor, looks beautiful, and the fish are happily swimming in and out of the holes in the rocks.

  2. Although I did empty the tank (and scrub it with only a brush reserved only for the fish tank), I kept about 1½ gallons of the old water to add back. I also used the water I took out to rinse the filter sponge, not tap water. Bacteria level maintained.

  3. I have used the bleach method ever since being told about it by my fish store, which is not a soulless chain but an authentic “we really care about the fish” store. The accessories are soaked overnight. Then I put them in a colander and run it through the dishwasher with no soap. Then I let it sit under the shower in the same colander for about a half hour, just in case there was any residue in the dishwasher, I’ve been doing this for a few years and never lost a fish afterwards.

  4. I do usually change out 25% of the water once a month, but having just moved, it got the best of me. And I do feed just once a day.

  5. Although the tank looks big, it is only 5 gallons, so I’m very cautious about adding fish. I did add a plecostomis (sp?), and he’s having a high old time on just about every surface in there. I’m going to keep a close eye on the chemical balance in the tank for a while, just to make sure it isn’t overpopulated.

I can’t wait for the day I feel secure enough in my job that I know I won’t have to pick up and move again, and I can go back to bigger tanks again, but for the moment, I have to stick with little tanks. I was glad to find one that was so small but looked so big!

Now if someone could just come up with a way to keep the hampsters in the tank from reproducing my posts…

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