Do ivory-billed woodpeckers still exist?

The Ivory-Bill, as a non-migratory, has (had) two advantages over these migratory
species as they would struggle to keep the tiny populations viable: avoidance of
storms and other hazards on the migration route, and then having to find a mate in
a huge expanse (such as the Arctic Tundra) if and when you reach the breeding
grounds. The IBW’s would presumably have a ready-made pool of mates available
fairly nearby in their local patch of densely wooded swamp and wouldn’t have to
fly too far to find one.

In my heart I still want to believe the Eskimo Curlew is still out there but probably
the endgame played out like it did in the book The Last Curlew, where the
last male on the planet lost his mate to a shotgun-wielding farmer and was last
seen wandering the tundra in summer making plaintive searching calls (probably
until a Snowy Owl or Gyrfalcon put him out of his misery).

BUt what about the pink-headed duck?

I was curious enough about this to do a little casual web scanning, and it seems that the Cuban population is minute, if it exists at all, and possibly even a different bird. The Cornell Ornithology Lab says, “DNA study also revealed that ivory-bills in North America and Cuba diverged from one another genetically about a million years ago.” Here’s the cite.

Possible, but considering the lack of records rather unlikely.

I would, however, highly recommend The Search for the Pink-headed Duck, by Rory Nugent, one of the most eccentric (and hilarious) travel writers ever. Although Nugent claims to have seen one, I am not sure that he would necessarily allow facts to get in the way of a good story.

I would also recommend Nugent’s Drums Along the Congo: On the Trail of Mokele-Mbembe, the Last Living Dinosaur. I would note that Nugent also suggests he may have seen one of these.

One other advantage it had is that it originally had quite a large range, across much of the southeastern US. Although almost all of its old-growth forest habitat has been logged, there may have been some fragments where it could have held on. And the recent records are from rather far-flung localities, in Arkansas, Florida, and Louisiana.

Species with very small ranges, such as those on islands, have much more limited areas where they can hide out.

Found this photo taken in Florida early this year:

IBW photo

The reaction the photo got on the forum it was posted to ranged from amazement
to outright dismissal. Some say it looks too “fake” and must be a decoy, and there’s
also been endless quibbling about the “correctness” of certain field marks. I just
wonder what kind of evidence would make everyone happy?

I have a bit of an update on this story. I just got back from the North American Ornithological Conference, held in Veracruz, Mexico, last week. These conferences are held every four years; this one was probably the largest gathering of ornithologists ever held in the Western Hemisphere, with over 1,700 participants.

Geoff Hill, the senior author of the paper cited in the OP, gave a one-hour presentation on the evidence from Florida. (This was not on the original conference program, but was scheduled during a lunch break.) The session of course was packed; there must have been 500 ornithologists in the room, and a lot were turned away. I also had a chance to meet Hill later during the conference.

To me, the most convincing evidence is the recorded calls. Although it might be possible for other birds such as Blue Jays to make them, they don’t really sound like anything else. These together with the other evidence to my mind make a pretty solid case. And it was the recordings from Arkansas that convinced some of the main critics in that case too.

Hill will be conducting even more intensive surveys on his return from the conference. He said, though, that now he feels the onus is really on them to come up with some clear photos this field season. If there is a second failure to follow through (since the Arkansas sightings never led to a clear photo, and there have been no more recent reports from there), he’s afraid that funding will dry up.

I’d have to agree that that photo doesn’t look real, and the pattern of white in the wing seems to be incorrect for an Ivorybill. Since it was not mentioned during Hill’s presentation, I would assume it is not regarded as credible.

I had a vigorous argument with a friend at the conference, who doesn’t really believe the evidence so far adds up to an Ivorybill (but he wasn’t able to get in to Hill’s presentation). Some people just won’t believe it until a clear photo is obtained, or some other hard, absolutely unequivocal evidence is produced.

A year or two back an Australian magazine (The Bulletin) offered a $25 million (Australian) reward for scientific evidence of the continued existence of the Tasmanian tiger. They never had to pay out. Sadly, I do’t think it is still with us.

So, how would one characterize the scientific consensus on this one - the existence or lack thereof for the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker. I take it that your expert opinion of the evidence presented so far is that it meets the standard for “beyond a reasonable doubt”; is this the case for much of the ornithological world? I ask because the last real reading I did on this matter seemed pretty divided, with scholarly articles coming down on both sides. I was able to convince myself that the video-recording seemed to resemble the pre-existing images of IBW rather more than the classical coloring patterns of the Pileated Woodpecker, but you are also able to evaluate the call/tap recordings as well. Thanks.

I wouldn’t say a “consensus” exists on the issue. Without taking a poll, it would be hard to say what the majority of ornithologists think at this point.

I think that a lot of ornithologists thought the Arkansas records indicated there was a high probablity there was a bird or birds in the Cache Creek area. There were initially a few prominent skeptics, who became convinced once they heard the recordings of calls from the area. More recently there has been another critical article published in the Auk, the journal of the American Orinithologist’s Union, and a rebuttal published shortly after.

Some people who were originally open to the Arkansas sighting being correct have now become skeptical because of the lack of additional sightings from the area, and the failure to obtain pictures. Personally, I suspect that those sightings pertained to a wandering bird, and that they have not yet identified the area where the real population exists. This also goes for the Lousiana sighting a few years ago.

My sense is that the ornithological community would like to believe these reports. They do remain skeptical to some extent, however, since everyone is familiar with how unreliable sight records can be.

I listened to the calls and taps played by Hill at his presentation. He says the frequencies match the one known recording made in 1935. As I said, these keent calls, which sound like a flat toy-trumpet note, sound like something that a Blue Jay *could * make, but I have never heard a Blue Jay actually make such a call. Many of these calls were recorded by automatic microphones in a part of the swamp where Blue Jays were not seen by the researchers in winter, and where no more typical Blue Jay calls were recorded. So you would have to believe that Blue Jays were giving only these highly unusual calls, and not giving any of their more typical calls, for several months, while avoiding being seen by the observers. As far as the double taps go, these of course be produced by two branches knocking together, or other causes. However, because they recorded so many such taps - which sound to me like those made by other members of the genus - makes it probable that these actually were made by Ivorybills, especially since they were recorded in the same areas as the keent calls.

I have also seen the field sketches produced by various observers. Although amateurs can easily confuse Pileateds with Ivorybills, the distinction is not a difficult one for an experienced observer. It is not just one of size or proportion, or of minor color variations, but whether a prominent part of the plumage is black vs white, or black vs red. I do not think experienced observers would make such errors, unless they were outright delusional.

Individually, none of the lines of evidence are absolutely unassailable. You can find fault with any one of them, by assuming some highly unlikely circumstances (such as Blue Jays only giving unusual calls in the same area as a lot of tree limbs happen to produce double knocks and where a bunch of delusional observers are wandering around). But if you put them all together I think they add up to a very high probablity that there are Ivorybills in the area.

YES!!!
(I hope). Experts saw the bird multiple times and have convincing, to experts, evidence. Whether convinced experts=real live Ivory Bill only time and lots of searching will tell. After an entire year of searching failed to find additional evidence, I was discouraged, but then realize that if it still exists it remained quietly and successfully hidden for 40 years.

So, I continue to hope.

Updating this thread: Bad News.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ivory-billed-woodpecker-officially-declared-extinct-along-with-22-other-species/ar-AAOX3yo?ocid=BingNews

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I am heartbroken. I SO wanted them to be found again.

Oh no!!! :cry: :cry: