Do liberals want Dylann Roof executed?

That could be said about a LOT of people who haven’t been convicted of any crimes. I just don’t think we, as faillible humans, should make ourselves responsible for executing anyone. And isn’t the point that we’re supposed to be better than well, the people who have been convicted? That’s why yes, it does speak well of us to take care of convicts. (And let’s not even get into the fact that the death penalty generally costs MORE than life without parole)

Otherwise, what’s the point? Just throw them all in a dirt hole and forget about them?

When it comes to violent criminals, I’m no bleeding heart. But I think the death penalty goes against the whole “cruel and unusual punishment”.

Oops, obviously I left the turnaround out of that train. But really, the death penalty, and the prison system and the gun ownership culture are how we avoid addressing some really complex problems in our country.

We don’t need to take care of convicts to prove we’re better than them. They’ve already proven that for us.

Cost is irrelevant to justice.

And I don’t. It’s not as if we’re drawing and quartering people or breaking them on the wheel.

I am not convinced that you can have “justice” without framing it in terms of objective morality.

I don’t see the death penalty as providing any more justice than life imprisonment, for any crime.

I agree that the death penalty isn’t cruel and unusual punishment if only because the American Early Fathers agreed with the death penalty, and they wrote the damn constitution.
Jefferson, whilst proposing castration for gays, rapists and animal-molesters, felt the death penalty should only apply for treason — an amusing thought * — and murder. He was unhappy regarding the vile system of retaliation ( poisoning poisoners [ in the park ?* ], slitting the faces of those who disfigured others [ not unreasonable, but personally I’d just include it in the death penalty category ] ) but put it in anyway. Bill 64 included gibbeting, the pillory, ducking for witches, and flogging all around. So ‘Cruel and Unusual’ had to be pretty out there in the Framers’ time.
Whipping was in general use for petty offences, of course ( and last administered in the 1950s in America ); so old Tom wouldn’t have considered reserving it to his slaves, whilst dreaming his dreams of freedom.
And they didn’t anticipate lengthy appeals: you were to be topped two days after sentence. Unless it was Sunday of course.

Has the meaning of “come-uppance” changed when I wasn’t paying attention?

They and it also endorsed slavery.
:rolleyes:

One of the advantages of the word “unusual” in the Constitutional prohibition is that it can change with time.

Drawing and Quartering, in addition to being cruel, is also, today, extremely unusual.

Good thing…

I’m against the death penalty period. I don’t pick and choose who should be executed or not.

People will say to me “but what about if someone killed your whole family?” I’m against it…for anyone.

Why isn’t the US a liberal country? If you mean in the sense of largely accepting Enlightenment values of political liberty and egalitarianism it certainly is one-indeed in certain aspects considering we don’t have hate speech laws or bans against hijabs in public schools we are more liberal than many other countries. Of course economically we are the most liberal of any advanced liberal democracy.

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I do not much care whether he is executed or not.

These provisions are for civilians. Regulation of firearms for military is done under the national defence act.

I’m sure the brotherhood of arms would take priority in any event for a similar case. :wink:

That is why we have juries.

It’s also why we don’t put relatives of crime victims on the trial juries of the people accused of the crimes.

I oppose the death penalty in this and for all cases. Nothing about this or any other case would change my mind.

I’m no lawyer, but, I don’t think that this thread will actually interfere with his constitutional rights. Call me crazy…

Doesn’t that essentially mean you approve of capital punishment, you’re just relatively indifferent to the issue?

Except that killing them DISproves it.

Morally wrong. Always. Everywhere. No exceptions.