Simple question. Do you think there are enough immigrants in the US? If so why? If not do you think there should be a formal limit to the number of people allowed to immigrate into the US? Should ther be a limit with criteria (ie not allow random people to immigrate unless they are marrying a citizen etc…)
I think there are enough immigrants in the US. I do believe there should be a limit though I’m not sure how to enforce it. I feel Our culture is being wiped out by the ever growing communities of immigrants around our major cities. Not many jobs out there either as it is so we probably don’t need to import people to employ.
What does it amount to for your culture to be wiped out by methods not comprising violent suppression? Heaven forbid that future generations in this geographic region might voluntarily have different tastes and habits, styles of clothes, food, music, and so on from the current people in this region, perhaps even as a result of influence from people currently located geographically distant to this region! Horrors!
Are there “enough” immigrants? “Enough” for what purpose? But I don’t think there should be any particularly imposed limit, no.
There are already limits in place. :dubious: It’s actually damned hard to be a legit immigrant to the US. Did you mean that you want all immigration stopped outright?
Edit: The vast majority of new immigration allowed is for family members of current citizens, after that it’s employment-based visas, a smaller number of refugees, and then there’s the “green card lottery” with only 55,000 allowed.
As for “our culture” being wiped out, they thought that when those filthy Irish and Italians were flooding over as well.
I’m not 100% on board with family members being allowed to immigrate. Other than a wife why should you be able to immigrate here just because a family member has?
You say “only 55, 000 allowed”, why should be be taking on 55k more randoms without 55k others immigrating out of the US?
For the record this isn’t about any specific group of immigrants, though I gave an example of Mexicans as they are the largest immigrant group in my region.
I think we are ABOVE capacity and don’t see how we can keep taking more and more adults from other countries along with current citizens having kids. How about they immigrate to other countries and work to make them more appealing instead?
What is our rate of population loss (death, emigration, lack of reproduction), out of curiosity, that makes you think that stopping immigration is the way to counteract a too-low loss rate?
And you do realize that we aren’t the only country that puts immigration quotas in place, right? People blithely joke about moving to Canada, but I bet the vast majority wouldn’t even qualify - they have an online test that rates your “desirability” for their country.
I didn’t vote because I really don’t know how to determine how many people should be allowed to immigrate. I assume that if there are opportunities here, people will want to come. Therefore, I assume there might be a “need” for those people, or there wouldn’t be the opportunity once they arrive. Perhaps we should trust the free market to determine how many people come here.
As far a losing “our culture,” I have no concern about that whatsoever, and am not really sure what it means.
I picked option 2, because I guess it’s closest to my opinion. I think that we should simultaneously (a) vastly increase the number of immigrants permitted annually and (b) harshly punish anyone who then immigrates illegally.
Basically, I think the number of immigrants we currently have in the country is dandy. A lot live in my area, in a state with strong minimum wage protections. And you know what? People still can’t find enough US citizens who want to do the kind of work immigrants are willing to do here.
So I’d like to see an amnesty for all current illegal immigrants. We should require them to exit and re-enter the country, just like we do for folks who are here on temporary work visas, but give them preferential re-admission papers upon their exit. Then we process them properly, and fully integrate them into society. (I strongly dislike the “shadow society” our country is beginning to develop. It’s not only bad for our society, but it’s dangerous—should a super-virulent illness a la swine flu break out among the population of illegals, do we really want them to forego seeking hospital treatment due to fears of deportation? Personally, I’d rather they didn’t incubate the virus until it was too late to contain.)
Once these new measures are in place, then we actively and aggressively prosecute the hell out of any immigrants who are here illegally and any businesses that hire them (as in, jailing people who hire them for aiding and abetting their illegal entry).
I have no idea how to answer this question, as I don’t have a particular use for immigrants (aside from being one myself).
Ensuring adult contemporary continues to outsell reggaeton, apparently.
How do you define our “capacity”? Are you aware that our population density is significantly lower than the rest of the developed world’s (excluding Canada, Australia and little else)?
I don’t really know what’s so special about American culture other than it seems to borrow from all kinds of other cultures. Worrying about culture and language changing is the least of my problems with the way America is headed.
There already are limits, and they are ignored as people immigrate by the drove illegally. Are you planning to do something about that other than what’s already being done? If not I don’t see the point of this thread.
A question to the OP: Do you actually have any idea how hard it is to actually emigrate to the USA nowadays? Its not a simple matter of turn up, tell the US govt, hey, I want in, and boom. It is hard. Getting an employment-based visa that allows you to immigrate too isn’t a task I’d wish on my worst enemy.
Let’s face it–I’m pretty sure that by “immigrants,” the OP means “brown people,” but there are other kinds of immigrants as well, and my mother is one of them–came here from Scotland at 20 years of age. On my father’s side, my great-grandfather came here from Ireland in the early 20th century. I would be the worst kind of hypocrite to decide that now we’ve had enough immigrants–in case we’ve forgotten, America is almost entirely composed of immigrants, and it’s not like the only “real” Americans are the immigrants who came over three centuries ago. It’s been a pretty steady process. I wonder how long Cubsfan’s relatives have been the in the United States. I suspect that’s the date when immigration became a bad thing.