Do you agree with my assessment of those who are against Affirmative Action?

In My Humble Opinion
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Do you agree with my assessment of those who are against Affirmative Action?

I am talking about the meaning behind what they say and not the rhetoric they use in their defense. If you say “Affirmative Action” is unfair because it penalizes white people for the color of their skin, what you really mean is, it is not ok to discriminate against someone for the color of their skin if they are white, but if their skin color is some other color (black or brown or red or yellow), then it is ok to discriminate.

This poll will have names included with the results.

PS- I apologize that I made a mistake twice trying to post this as a poll

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No problem. The duplicate threads have been deleted.

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I was expecting people to disagree with me but not this many people. Please provided a response so we can discuss it as well.

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I don’t think it’s appropriate to penalize anyone for the color of their skin.

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I didn’t answer the poll because none of the choices fit. I think many people who are against AA sincerely believe that racial discrimination is wrong no matter who it targets. But they are convinced that racial discrimination is a thing of the past. If you remove AA, we’ll be living MLK’s dream.

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how do you propose we stop people with black and brown skin from being penalized?

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yes, but those people would be ignornat. If a company only hires the bare minimum of minorities, or just barely above it, that indicates to me they only hired that amount because they were forced too.

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I believe it is not okay to discriminate against anyone for the color of their skin. Full stop. No caveat. Skin color = completely irrelevant.

Fighting institutional racism by instituting racism? That’s fighting wars for peace or fucking for virginity.

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It can mean that, but it could also mean that there weren’t any more well-qualified minority candidates that they could have hired.

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So it seems that you, and everyone else (except monstro) who voted or commented believe that a principle is more important than a result, even when the result is negative, and even when the negative result is a common occurrence.

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Education.

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ok, so lets examine their applications then.

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We’ve tried that. For 40+ years. Do you have any other suggestions?

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A private company should be free to hire the people most qualified for the job irrespective of race. Hiring an unqualified or under-qualified person in order to meet a quota harms everyone in the long run and is no morally better than not hiring a qualified person because of their race.

If the problem is that the system is not producing enough qualified professionals of color, then that’s something that needs to be addressed at a greater social level and at a much younger age.

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Why don’t you explain why you believe what you do instead of insisting that others do so.

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We’ve been trying affirmative action for about as long, and I daresay that we’ve had better success with my suggestion than with yours.

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OK, well, I don’t agree, not 100%, but your response is hard to rebut. On some level at least you make a good point.

“something needs to be addressed”

what steps do we need to take to address this?

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I did. See post #1.

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No, you stated what your opinion was. You didn’t explain why you hold that opinion-- which is what you are asking other people to do.

I suspect you are so convinced that you are right that you don’t understand why an explanation is necessary.

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I think the most common misconception for people who disagree with Affirmative Action is to minimize the effect of “corporate culture” in terms of creating racial diversity. I think that’s more common than people having some kind of racial double standard or whatever you’re trying to suggest in the original post.