Do you benefit from a funeral?

For my mom and dad, what we did was a memorial service. My mom, who died first, was adamantly of the opinion that a lavish funeral and trappings thereof were a horrid waste. “Just take me to the place where they burn you up and be done with it,” were her exact words in life. Nevertheless, the rest of us felt that something was needed to recognize that a loss had occurred. The cremation occurred as she specified, and we had a brief memorial at the funeral home that arranged the cremation. A little table at the front held a single rose in a small vase, next to a picture of her taken in her early 20s. People from the community group she was active in spoke and performed music. We adjourned to the house for snacks and then we all went home. For the living, it was useful.

My sister and I did something similar for our dad when his time came, although not as many people showed up.

On the other extreme, my MIL’s culture absolutely requires the most lavish funeral you can afford, or that you want your “friends” to think you can afford. There must be weeping and wailing and the widow must threaten to leap into the grave and need to be held back. Otherwise, your “friends” will think you didn’t really love the deceased. It’s at least half about maintaining your standing in the congregation and preventing your “friends” from gossiping about you in a negative way. And, I suppose, it provides something to do.

One way or another, I do think most of us need something. You can’t just take your dear departed and toss out their remains like an animal. Heck, an awful lot of us get some comfort from having a “service” for our dear departed pets.

I have two experiences with planning funerals: my dad’s, and my grandfather’s (Mom’s side).

My dad died after a six-week illness: he suddenly contracted brain cancer at age 56, and spent the last several weeks comatose, although there were a few happy times after he was diagnosed. He and Mom had not discussed very much in the way of a funeral, except that Mom doesn’t like the idea of burial and Dad didn’t object to being cremated; so that’s what we went with. Also Dad was very religious and we knew he would want a church funeral. Because of the nature of Dad’s illness we couldn’t discuss it with him any further than that, so we were forced to improvise. The minister at my parents’ church was a big help in arranging everything.

One important thing was the fact that my dad was a very popular person and a well-known journalist, so we had to account for a cast of thousands. (Even during his illness the hospital had moved him to a bigger room to accommodate all his visitors.) The CBC even bussed many of Dad’s co-workers in from Toronto to pay their respects. (They also recorded the funeral for us, and gave Dad a 25-minute obit on The World at Six, which was truly astonishing.) All of this both touched us deeply, and presented its own challenges.

We had visitation at the funeral home followed by a church funeral, followed in turn by a committal ceremony at the cemetery chapel; a few weeks later we buried his ashes. In each step, the number of people dwindled, so the service became more intimate. The visitation lasted two days, for lots of people - including the more tenuous acquaintances - to file through. That was the most trying section of the “rites;” everyone wanted to talk to us. brother_mcl and I ran interference for mom_mcl, getting her away from the more tedious people who just didn’t know how to behave to a new widow.

The funeral was for the large group of people who were not family but who knew him well enough to pay their respects, including the aforementioned CBC people. That was terribly, terribly necessary. It was important for us to know that our grief was shared, and we were supported in it, by a community. It was also important to have the sense that we were respecting his will by honouring him in a way he would have found appropriate. It makes the death seem less disempowering, less like a loss of control on the part of the deceased - especially since it had all been so sudden and traumatic. We needed to let go of him in a more controlled fashion, in a way that we – and he – had some control over. The solid Protestant ceremonial things – the hymn “I Feel the Winds of God,” bearing the pall with my male relatives – were important in that because they were what he would have chosen.

The reception after the funeral was more difficult because the funeral had been so emotionally draining for us that dealing with the cast of thousands was not what I wanted to do right then. I eventually hid out with my family in the kitchen. That was the only way we were going to get any sandwiches, anyway.

The most cathartic moment was the committal ceremony at the cemetery chapel. As Dad was to be cremated, we wouldn’t have been able to do a graveside ceremony for some weeks, but I felt very strongly that we would need the emotional closure that a committal ceremony would provide on that day. So we went with this. It was basically the same deal: releasing the body from our care. (Basically, we put the casket onto a sort of elevator within the chapel, that lowered it into a storage area below, to be cremated later. The minister used the same service he would use for a graveside.) That had only the family, albeit the extended family. As I say, it was the most emotionally cathartic part, where we were in our intimacy and could finally break down and give ourselves over to grief.

The last part was the actual burial of the ashes a few weeks later: that only had my mom, me, my brother, my aunt and uncle, and Dad’s oldest friend and his family. The biggest significance there was what we were actually doing, so it was more subdued.

I think we got the emotional tenor more or less right with this one. The difficult parts were dealing with everyone else, and especially with the funeral home (those bastards railroaded my mom into buying a $5000 coffin to use as kindling). But the way it rolled out was more necessary and responded to our needs – especially the need to make the proper observances, to honour Dad the way he would have wanted.
My grandfather’s funeral presented its own challenges. He had never talked about his death, and he also had a very short illness - only a week - during which he never regained consciousness. Furthermore, he lived far away from us so we were unfamiliar with his opinions on such things. Happily, one of his friends was also a clergywoman at a church he had attended, and another friend (with whom we were staying) helped us get things arranged; also, as he was a veteran, we were able to let the VA take charge of his body and the actual cremation and burial things. The funeral was a little odd, as people were invited to give their remembrances and some of these folks went on and on, but it wasn’t unbearable. As with Dad, we benefitted from knowing that we were honouring Grandpa as he would have wanted.

I certainly do. I have no difficulty at all contemplating my own death, for one thing. Going from my experiences with funeral planning, I’m very preoccupied with making sure everyone knows in advance exactly what my wishes are. This is for a lot of reasons. First, I’m Pagan, and my family isn’t. I have no doubt they would want to observe my traditions, but it’s just that they would have no idea what those are or where to look. Moreover a lot of Pagan rituals are highly improvised, and even if they had experience or were to ask a friend of mine to write it, nobody feels creative when bereaved. Second, I’m very preoccupied with making sure that it correctly reflects my life and my belief – that people can’t ignore parts of my identity. Third, I think that knowing exactly what I wanted will give people a much greater sense of comfort than having to guess and worrying they might be wrong, no matter how irrational that is vis a vis someone who’s already dead. Fourth, I very much want a funeral that reflects my ideas of death and how to deal with it. Finally, I’m concerned for myself with what happens to my body when I die, because of my religious beliefs.

A few weeks after my grandpa died, I wrote out an entire ritual in great detail (down to choices of music, location, liturgy, etc.) and all my wishes concerning my death (turning off the respirator, burial location, nature of burial, etc.) I stayed up all night doing it and it was extremely cathartic. I feel much better knowing that my wishes are all on paper (well, on hard drive) and that my family will be spared being forced to improvise or guess.

In sum, funerals are very important to me – including my own. And I think people owe it to their family to let them know in detail how they would like to be honoured, whether with or without a funeral, etc., etc.

Friends of mine recently had a baby who died only a few hours after birth. This was anticipated, and they have been assured that the cause of baby not growing properly was a fluke, not one of those 1 in 4 chances of happening with each subsequent pregnancy.

They had a kid-friendly Memorial Service which I did not attend(geography issues) but some of my other friends did.

I think a large part of that was the need to have their loss acknowledged. This was their third son. They know that in a normal healthy pregnancy, everyone rejoices with you for the last few months, and everyone celebrates the new baby. Total strangers tell you how cute your baby is, etc. Well, with a baby who dies soon after birth, you miss out on some of that. And so, having a service with as many people attending as possible is kind of a way to say “This kid was born. He Mattered. He died, but is not forgotten. Don’t tell me I can have another, because another baby will not replace This One.”

Another brief anecdote:

a member of a congregation at a church I used to attend passed away after a very long battle with MS. It was his request that (in addition to whatever funeral/mourning traditions were observed) cupcakes be served after the next Sunday’s Church service, so that people would celebrate his life, and the end of his suffering.

I thought that was a really neat idea, especially given that he’d been largely homebound for several years, but had been active in the church before that and was a beloved part of the congregation. He will not be forgotten anytime soon.

jsgoddess, let me start by expressing my condolences on the loss of your father.

I am very torn on this subject. Many years ago, I lost a friend/lover to a car accident. I did not know his parents. They decided not to have any service at all - my friend was cremated and his ashes scattered privately by his parents. I was unable to accept that he was gone - someone would come up behind me in the bar where we often hung out and I would think it was him. I would burst out crying. I think if there had been a service it would have given me some closure.

Not terribly long ago, I lost a favorite uncle to lung cancer that had spread to his bones. When he passed it was a relief for all of us - he was in such terrible pain. At his memorial service, I met friends of my mothers I had never met before. His service was a celebration of his life and, while sad, enabled us all to celebrate him and say goodby.

On the other hand, I have asked my husband to have me cremated and to have no formal service. Why? Because of the expense. If a few friends want to come over and have a drink while talking about me or playing with my cats, that is fine. I just don’t want my husband to pay the outrageous prices charged by funeral homes.

I did the same thing after my dad died, despite the days and days and days of having it hammered home that he was gone.

I’m not saying it wouldn’t have worked for you, but it definitely didn’t work for me.

No. I am an atheist.

Most of my family is religious, but they didn’t seem to find any comfort in the religious rituals either. It was just something to endure.

I am an atheist, and I have benefitted from funerals. The three most significant were a help to me in three different ways.

After my dad retired, he started taking courses in Chinese. Not long after that, he got to know a number of Chinese immigrants in the Omaha area and began to take it on himself to look out for them and their community. He’d teach people to drive, help them learn how to buy a house, make sure they knew what they needed to know for taxes, etc. At his funeral, over a hundred people from the Chinese immigrant community showed up to pay their respects. It really drove home how many lives my dad had touched in a positive way in just the short time since his retirement. The turnount personified what Dad was all about – doing good things for people. It made me even more proud of him, and made me miss him even more.

My mom’s funeral was just about the opposite. Sure, plenty of people turned out, but I didn’t really notice them. I was with my dad and sisters in our own little bubble, leaning on them for emotional support as I cried my heart out. The pastor said some beautiful things about her life and her dedication to her chosen career of motherhood. It really helped to be able to grieve with others who loved her.

My grandma’s funeral had a moment of levity that meant a lot to me. People were gathered in the basement of the little country church before the service, and the place was packed wall-to-wall. The pastor got everyone’s attention and reminded us that the gathering in the basement was a pre-funeral service for the immediate family only. People looked around, seeing who needed to get out, but no one moved. Finally, someone said, “Pastor, this is the immediate family.” You see, Grandma had 6 kids, 31 grandchildren, I-don’t-know-how-many great-grandchildren, and 5 great-great-grandchildren. We all chuckled, but at the same time, I got a sense that I wasn’t the only one who was powerfully reminded that Grandma may be gone, but we are still family. None of us will ever be alone in the world.

I could decribe others, but those are the big three that stick with me. So yeah, I’d say funerals are for the living. I’m sorry that your experiences have been bad ones, and I’m sorry for your loss.

As this thread illustrates, all rites of passage, including funerals, can be useful, or they can be awful. In my experience, the most useful ones are the ones that get away from “we do it because it’s always been done” and lean more toward, “What works for us, as individuals and as a community?”

One recent trend I’ve seen in funerals that I really like is the photo collage boards. Family members and friends gather the night before the actual wake and go through picture albums and shoeboxes and choose pictures to paste onto poster board. Not only is it a good therapeutic process, as the people doing it share stories and memories of the loves one’s life while making the board, but it gives visitors to the wake something to DO. They can look at the pictures, be reminded of stories of their own to share. It very nicely puts the emphasis where so many of us wish it would be: on the deceased person’s LIFE, not their death.

I also like the “Irish Wake” style party with just enough booze to diminish people’s inhibitions and let the storytelling flow. Again, brings the emphasis on the person’s life and flaws and the reason we love him or her. Another recent tradition within my community has become to make a “time capsule” for the deceased children or grandchildren to open in X number of years. We gather things that the deceased gave or made us, as well as pictures, the funeral card, pictures of all of us there, stories about the deceased, poems, artwork or whatever, and we put it in a waterproof container and bury it, then we draw a treasure map and give it to the kid’s parent. This, we hope, lets the kid “discover” the parent (or grandparent) they grew up without when they are old enough to want such a thing. It also, again, gives something for people to do at the wake/funeral, rather than stand around feeling awkward and saying stupid things that are meant to be comforting.

I think you’re right that the wake/funeral as we’ve done it for the last 100 years - 2 or 3 days of standing around in uncomfortable shoes taking in hushed tones saying “I’m so sorry for your loss” to people who are trying desperately not to cry and just wish they could go lay down somewhere for an hour, but feel like they’re “on stage” and have to control themselves, culminating in an irritatingly slow and circuitous car ride to the church while swearing at people in other cars trying to cut through the procession, repeat to get to the cemetery, with religious hand-waving that means less than nothing to most of the people there - is starting not to work well for many people. At least, it doesn’t work for me.

I’m just not convinced that doing nothing at all is the answer. People do need to process their loss. They need some symbols to tell their little child unconscious minds that this person is gone, and not coming back. While some people may be able to do that alone, most of us are safer and more successful if we do it with other people around. But there have been thousands of funeral customs in the history of homo sapiens sapiens. There’s nothing particulary unique or useful in the 20th century American style system that needs remain untouched. Invent new traditions. Accept that some will work, and some will not.

And there you have it. That’s why I’m a neopagan. I do what works for me and the people I love, not what’s written in some dusty book in a funeral parlor.

That got me to thinking about WHY I don’t want a funeral for myself. I think a lot of it stems from the fact that I don’t like having a fuss made about me. I don’t celebrate my birthday since I find it highly embarrassing to be sung to and all that. I don’t want a public wedding, when we are allowed to get married nothing would make me happier than to just go city hall. I even told my parents I didn’t want a party when I finished high school. To be completely honest, if I could arrange it so that my existence would simply be forgotten upon my death I probably would.

I realize this is a viewpoint most likely not held by many.

I get that. It’s just not going to happen. I’m assuming you have at least one person who cares about your existence. In fact, scratch that, I KNOW you have at least one - me. If you die, or stop posting, whichever comes first, I’m going to notice.

So, given that people aren’t just going to forget you immediately upon death, the only kind thing to do is to give them your blessing to do what they need to do. What possible difference can it make to you? You won’t be there anymore, remember? I don’t know for sure, but I doubt the dead can be embarrassed.

I don’t disagree that others will want something to happen, I was more trying to explain part of why I feel about funerals the way I do.

(and thank you for the kind words)

For each of my parents we did a traditional funeral, with wake, followed by cremation. The minister who did the service for my dad hadn’t really known him well, since Dad hadn’t been attending the church since that minister had been there. So he came to each of us children and spoke with us for a few minutes about what we remembered about Dad. The next day he did a lovely eulogy, incorporating all those things, and really giving us a chance to remember and think about Dad. My dad had been “out of circulation” for a while, increasingly unable to get about town and participate in his usual activities. There were still large numbers of people who came to pay their respects and remember him fondly. It was very comforting to see how many people thought well of him, and how many lives he had affected.

Much of the same thing happened when Mom died. There were a surprising number of people who came to the wake and funeral. It eased my heart a bit to know how many people cared about her.

When my in-laws died, we did an immediate cremation with a memorial service a week or two later. It was the choice of their children, partly for economic reasons, and partly because they didn’t want to have the whole wake and visit thing, with the remains present. It worked for them and still gave us all a sense of finality.

I used to feel that funerals were outdated and unnecessary, and I swore I’d never have one. But I’ve come to realize that humans are physical beings, and we seem to need rituals and community expressions sometimes. There are lots of ways to adapt those rituals to the needs of the people involved.

We’re not supposed to cry at funerals? I thought that was what they were for. Ye gods, if a person’s supposed to be a stoic at a funeral, when, exactly, are they EVER permitted to display an authentic emotion?

I read the eulogy at my grandfather’s funeral last week.

What I found interesting is how complex my grandfather’s life was, how many different people he was to those who knew him. To my mother, he was an abusive alcoholic; to my aunt he was also strong and capable; to his younger brothers, he was a hero who’d helped put food on the table during the Depression; to his most recent wife, he was a cantankerous, amusing and affectionate gentleman.
I’m sorry for the loss of your father, and sad that his funeral was such a dreadful experience for you.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t want to cry in public. It has nothing to do with not having permission from someone else. I don’t do it.

I have no issue with others crying, though. Some people are comfortable (for the lack of a better word) crying in public.

I don’t want to cry in public either, regardless of everyone around me. I just want to do it privately.

Heh. If you notice, I (and the OP) are hardy Midwestern WASPS. We don’t cry at funerals, nope. We also don’t scream during labor like those sissies out in California*. Our men are allowed to mist a little during Field of Dreams, and our wimminfolk during Steel Magnolias.

Honestly, I’ve seen crying at funerals, but it’s kept real, real quiet, and everyone else ignores it while your next-of-kin pats your shoulder awkwardly. It’s probably as much a racial and socioeconomic thing as a regional thing.

*Seriously, in 1993, I had a childbirthing class at which the teacher said, “I’m going to play this videotape of childbirth. Now, you can tell it was filmed in California, because this woman is really loud during labor. We don’t do that around here. You won’t be making this much noise.” :rolleyes:

I have to say that funerals help me very much and I’d be lost without them. When it’s for someone who’s close to me it’s extremely comforting to hear all the kind words and listen to stories about the deceased that I’ve never heard before. I’m also one of those people who feels better if I’ve viewed the body or at least been near the casket and to watch the burial. It makes me feel like that person mattered and is being taken care of and protected. I definitely don’t mind crying my eyes out. I’m the only one like that in my family so usually I will be the only one to cry but I can’t really help myself.

When I was very young I really resisted the whole funeral procedure and so it was an ordeal but over the years I found that I really do need the structure of a funeral to help me cope.