Do you have a great respect for pro writers?

This post, and more from the thread got me thinking about the subject. The linked poster claims to be honored to simply share the thread with some published authors. Another post by talks about how people introduce themselves as “published authors”, even though they’ve never been paid for their work.

In answer to the subject? No, I don’t, particularly. It’s a job, in my view, that you take if you have the talent and work ethic, but lack the-- I don’t know what it is, grounding, maybe-- to get a regular job. It’s just a job, and it’s not a particularly hard one, as far as the day to day goes; getting paid is another story.

I should disclose that I did think about being a writer a lot in high school, I suspect because people noticed I could put words together and lacked grounding. I have a couple fairy tales for grownups that I wrote somewhere, but other than that I don’t consider myself to be a frustrated writer.

Great respect? No. I know too many of them. :smiley:

Respect? Yes. It’s a job, and can be a mind-numbing one at times.

Because my writing skill sucks I have awe and respect towards any one having commend of any language (particularly English since that’s my main language) enough to be a “Pro-Writer”. I’m an absolute hack of English language so I have to stick with saying that’s my shtick (just like my music).

I tend to have a lot of respect and a certain amount of awe for a) people who have skills or talents that I really, really don’t share, and b) people who are incredibly good at anything, whether I’m any good at it or not.

So I’m impressed by professional authors only when I consider them to be incredibly good, but I’m impressed by my accountant even though I’m so unskilled in his field that I can’t even tell how good he is.

Wow.

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

WOW!

[slams head against wall]

Wow.

You’re aware that many writers have “regular jobs” as well as their writing gigs, yes?

Exactly.

And how many “great” writers (or considered such now) who can support themselves, and perhaps a family as well, entirely on their writings, struggled for years just to get to that point? Just offhand, I’d say most of them.

You mean fiction writers? No, not really. Great writers from days yore, sure, they invented things (Proust, James, Conrad, Perec).

Respect is accorded from me to scholars who not only invent new connections but, in cases, new concepts and greater props to those who can write well. The last category can be excepted in certain cases like that of Husserl, who was a poor (but prolific) writer but whose inventions defined the entire 20th C in theoretical ontology (computer science and philosophical senses). Even your “average” pro scholar who invents, creates, earns my respect far more than someone bothering with little characters and plots like telling a fairy tale to a kid.

Don’t forget it’s hard to call a great like William Gaddis a “pro,” who, supposedly, had under a dollar in his entire bank accounts the decade(s?) he was working on JR. A lot of great writers had miserable lives – not exactly “pro” as in Herbie Hancock ca. “Rock-It.” MALLARME (caps to avoid using char map) didn’t live like a prince in his elder years, but people loved him and he was the doyen of the new age of modernism. Robert Musil’s another example.

“Great respect”? No. Not in the “I’m so honored to be in your presence!” way.

However I do have respect for anyone who’s good at their job. Particularly if I’m paying them to do it. Cranking out a hundred pages of quality dialog isn’t a trivial feat, and its always a pleasure to work with someone who really knows their craft.

Respect? That’s not exactly it. What’s that other thing? Envy, that’s it.

I concur with Exapno. Anyone can get a regular job, but making a living as a writer take incredible skill and very hard work. If you don’t think it’s hard, quit your current job and try to be a writer. See how that works out for you.

I respect other writers just like I respect anyone with talent, but I also know enough of them to know they’re like anyone else. I’m always amused when people are impressed with my sales, since I wish I could have sold more (I’ve had people stare at me inane at SF conventions, which I think is silly). I also remember an english class looking in awe at one of their members because he once picked up John Irving at the airport to take him to a conference.

I’m impressed by the talent and drive for really good writing. I’m not impressed just because someone is published and/or paid. I’ve been published and paid, and I’m usually third rate. Best writer on SDMB: Sampiro. Second, Scylla.

Not sure what you’re trying to say here, maybe you should take a writing class.

Let me spell it out: what you said was so incredibly clueless that it left Exapno speechless.

And the fact that it wasn’t clear to you shows that maybe you should take a reading comprehension class.

I teach that class and got 100% YOU ROCK DAVE

Good Lord, don’t hurt yourself. He ain’t worth it.

“lack the grounding to get a regular job?”

“Regular” jobs are a dime a dozen. Anyone can work at Target stocking shelves. midle level business jobs or mechanics jobs or bank teller jobs aren’t that hard to find.
But writing…
Words fail me. Even “wow”

I’m a published author and was able to support myself for a couple of years only because I lived really cheap in Asia. I have the utmost respect for authors that can support themselves on the writing only (no full time job, no trust fund, no working spouse). It’s like a lot of gigs, being able to support yourself at it is tough and admirable.

The thing is, you’d do better financially stocking shelves than writing a book. For instance, in the linked thread of the OP, somebody mentioned they’ve made 20k or so off a book they wrote-- like it was a good thing. Well, yeah, that’s OK if the work involved took three months or less. But it was probably more like a year, right? Sounds like chump change.

And speaking of dime a dozen, authors seem pretty damn common.

All that was addressed at CalMeachum.

China Guy, thanks for that, but I have more respect for people who can support others than those who merely support themselves. Your post implies that many authors can’t even do that. Is that the case in your experience?

As has been noted, it’s natural to admire skills you don’t have. I’m an engineer. I’ve also played music all my life and once scraped together a living at it for a couple of years. As such, while I have respect for anyone who follows such a difficult path, I’m not in admiration of professional musicians the way I am of, say, a person who makes a living doing theoretical physics. That I could not do.

It’s also natural to admire people at the top of their game in any field. So in the same way that I admire theoretical physicists (to make at living at it, you pretty much have to be at the top), I have a lot of respect for successful, influential writers. But I don’t read much fiction, so I don’t claim to be able to discern a mediocre pro fiction writer from a great one.

I’ve done a lot of writing in support of other endeavors (my engineering, my music, etc.), so this also limits the amount of respect I have for pro writers. I feel that if I had the passion for it, I probably could have made a living as a writer. But I don’t pretend to have the stomach for roughing it financially, which played a large part in my leaving music. So while I’m not in awe of pro writers, I certainly don’t look down on them as someone who couldn’t hold down a “real” job.

I am critical of anyone, in any field, who overestimates their command of subjects they don’t really know. One pro writer friend sent me an essay he’d received from another writer who claimed to have found a flaw in relativity. The essay contained several ad hominem attacks on Einstein, and revealed a lack of understanding of the twin paradox, which it cited as the flaw. My reply explained the simple resolution of the twin paradox, and advised my writer friend to stick to things he knew about.

Over the last several decades, society’s attitude toward different occupations has certainly changed. Economic conditions play a part in this. When it’s harder to make a middle class living, it’s understandable that self-made millionaires are admired more than great writers. Another factor is less education and literacy among the public. (I know more people go to college now, but that’s not the same as education).

It’s just one data point from a work of fiction, but I always found quaint the attitude towards Don Birnam’s life in the film "The Lost Weekend’. For surviving his descent to hell, the guy would end up with… a book. It strikes me as a sign that writing enjoyed more respect among the general public than it does now.

So what? Are you claiming that anyone who’s making a living is wrong if he could have a different higher paying job? Not everything in life comes down to how much money you have. There are rewards in life that are not financial. Some writers choose to make less money than they could make stocking shelves because they find writing more rewarding in non-financial ways.