Is it possible that it isn’t what some conservatives say, but how they say it?
So, you won’t believe there are any problems with the way conservatives are treated by mods here until a liberal says it, too?
Do you believe all conservatives are inherently unreasonable people? Because that’s definitely the vibe I’m getting.
I don’t do “vibes”, and I doubt very much all conservatives have trouble posting their opinions without skirting the rules
I’m sure you can find one who agrees with you. I don’t think that would equal a consensus though.
I didn’t used to. But since they started requiring purity tests and shooed all the moderates away, yeah, conservatism has become an intellectually bankrupt philosphy. I agree, that is a shame for political discourse. If you feel you are being unfairly tarred with my broad brush, perhaps you should more closely examine the people you associate with. A man is known by the company he keeps.
For the second time, I do not have such difficulties. As an example, is there any doubt in your mind about what I think of you?
At least you’re honest. You are also now unfit to serve as a moderator, for admitted bias. I expect to see your resignation shortly.
IS that how you really see it? all who don’t declare themselves to be conservative are to be labeled liberal, so the moderators must be liberal? This is exactly the attitude I talked about that is pushed by national pundit media.
I shall never resign! Another crack like that, and I will moperate ya! 
You seem to make more than your share of demands and expectations, it seems.
I don’t think having a “bias” against a poisonous atmosphere should disqualify one from moderating, btw.
Yet you deny any liberal culpability for the poisonous atmosphere you admit exists. You’re saying conservatives are all bad, and liberals are without fault.
It’s like you’re reading my mind!
No…wait-that’s not what I’m thinking at all. Will whoever’s mind it is Oakminster was reading please step forward?
“All bad”, “all good”, “totally without fault”-I don’t seem to find these terms too often in moderate to liberal posts too often. Why do you think that is?
It’s time to rein in this tangent. I don’t think it’s going to clear up the moderating decision or anybody’s understanding of the rules. And I have read way too many Great Debates thread to believe liberals are less prone to generalizations than conservatives, or vice vera.
This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue, and now that I think about it, Oakminster, I don’t think Rand Rover has ever identified himself as a conservative. People on the left tend to pigeonhole objectivists as conversatives (and I’m not sure Rand Rover considers himself one of those either) but strictly speaking they aren’t. In any case this didn’t influence my decision to warn Rand Rover - in a past thread I actually agreed with his point about taxation being backed by the threat of force, if that matters - and not warn Wesley Clark.
It shouldn’t have been, but you, Marley23 made it such when you made a bad call. You hammered a righty, and let a lefty skate, for equivalent offenses. As I have repeatedly explained, if you had not blown the call, and had just told both guys to knock it off with no warnings issued, this would not have come up.
If you had warned both guys, you’d have been unduly harsh…like you were in that GQ thread I commented on…but at least you’d have been fair. You did not have to warn anybody–and really should not have.
This is consistent with a pattern of behavior by the mods here on this board. Lefties can do whatever they want, Righties will get much less slack.
I know you and other mods hate it when I bring this up. Too bad. I’m going to keep raising it until it gets fixed. Every time one of you screw up, I’ll be here explaining yet again what you did wrong, and how your bias is showing. There is no rule against that–unless you plan to invent the Oakminster Rule, and frankly, I don’t think you could make that one stick. Like it or not, I have earned a certain standing here. I will have my say. Within the rules.
As far as reigning in the tangent–you’ll have to be more specific in what you are instructing. If you want me to stop responding to Czarcasm and Fear Itself, then say so. And also give them the same instruction. Of course, Fear is technically a moderator for the moment. It may not be politic for you to instruct him.
I am not a moderator. I don’t know where you got that idea.
Well fuck me running. You fooled me with “moperator” as your custom title thingy. And then you tried to give me a clue-by-four with the “moperator” bit in one of your posts, and I just assumed it was a typo.
Double Dumbass on Oak. I fell for it hook line and sinker. In fact, this may be a contender for best (or most embarassing) whoosh of all time.
Only if one insists on viewing it as a liberal vs. conservative issue, which is what you’re doing right now. I assure you I am capable of screwing things up for reasons that have nothing to do with politics.
But they aren’t equivalent offenses. I would have been happy to treat them that way if they were. One comment led to the other for sure, which is why I told Wesley Clark that the post was practically begging for a hostile interpretation, but that doesn’t make them equivalent. If I see this turn into a problem in the future then I’ll deal with it differently. But it hasn’t been one in the past. This is not the first time somebody has included a jab like that in a post, and the forum hasn’t gone to hell yet. At least from what I can see.
We disagree. That’s ok. Not like I wanna pillage your village and salt your fields or anything. It’s enough to at least make sure you are aware of the issue, and you know I’ll raise hell if it comes up again. So maybe you, and other mods, will at least think twice before you do something that looks unfair. And maybe some of the more militant lefties will realize righties are people too.
Would that be unfair to all on the right, or just the same select few and you? Personally, I’d prefer the mods rule on the merits of the situation rather than on whether or not you personally are going to be a pain in the ass on the issue every damn time. Wearing people down until they capitulate doesn’t mean that you were right to begin with.
That’s not what he’s saying. As I understand it, he points out that American conservatives have gotten more so recently, to their own detriment (arguable, I suppose). As for liberals being without fault, who if anyone is saying that? I see that you’re saying people are saying that, but who’s actually saying that, and when?