Do you know the name for this?

Back when I was doing a fair amount of macrame’ I had several dozen pattern books and several hardbacks with all sorts of variations on the theme of pot hangers and such. Those books are now stashed away in an area that’s too much trouble to go unearth, so I’m hoping for your help in identifying one of the features of one of the macrame’ designs. One of the most intriguing patterns involved a technique that resulted in a spiral shape as the upper portion, the more decorative section, of the hanger above where the support arms came down to form the actual hanger proper.

I suspect, though I have yet to find an actual example, the same basic idea is used in some origami foldings. But all the web serches I have tried have either lacked enough correct terminology or failed for some other reason.

I’ll try to describe how to make a simple version of this thing using a piece of paper so that hopefully you can make one for yourself and then be able to tell me what its name is. And if you know where to locate a picture of one, a link to that would be terrific.

Okay. First get a thinnish strip of paper, at least 8-10" in length and something on the order of 1/4" wide, no wider than 3/4". One of the things I will usually fold up and use for this folding task is a used potato chip bag (or something with those dimensions). I will fold it lengthwise as many times as it takes to get the width down to less than an inch.

Next, make a 90-degree fold at roughly the middle of the strip (or folded bag or whatever). The result should look like a big “L” with roughly equal length arms or branches or whatever you want to call the parts of the “L.” Turn this “L” shape so that one of the arms is the one on top. Obviously, the other arm will be on the bottom. :smiley:

Now, this next fold is the key to the pattern. It will be repeated using both arms until the whole strip is reduced to roughly a little square. The move is to make another 90-degree fold, using the bottom arm of the “L” – folding it under itself – and having the new fold come alongside and parallel to the top arm of the “L.” The result of this second fold should make a “tuning fork” looking shape with a “V” on one end and two flaps parallel to each other, with one flap being on top and the other flap being on the bottom. If you don’t have that shape, repeat the previous step until you do. The edges of the flaps of the “tuning fork” should be touching each other and facing the same direction.

As I said earlier, if you have the right shape at this point, the remaining folds involve taking the lowest “flap” and folding it under itself at a 90-degree angle so that the folded piece “catches” or “locks” under the portion being folded under. After this third fold you should have the makings of a square with two flaps sticking out at 90-degrees to each other. The flaps should be held in place by the folds so that the shape is “locked.”

The rest of the pattern is just taking the flaps and folding them under each other until they’re all inside the little square. you can either alternate flaps being folded or work all the way down one flap before starting on the other flap. Either way, you just keep folding the flaps under themselves at 90-degree angles until there’s nothing left to fold. Depending on how long the original strip was and how thin, you could wind up with the “square” having a “depth” of several inches – or more – and resembling a little box sort of thing.

The neat thing about the finished shape is that you can grasp the very ends of the folds and pull them away from each other and the shape takes on a spiral or helix form.

What do you call such a form?

If my instructions need clarifying, please say so.

When I use this method to fold up used bags and such they take up less space in the trash and don’t come undone like they do if you just wad them up. You’d be amazed at how many empty bags fit in my trash can before I have to empty it. :slight_smile:

** BUMP **

Surely my instructions aren’t that bad. :slight_smile:

Anybody? Any idea?

Your description looks good, but unfortunately, my macrame experience is of the wall-hanging variety; I have no experience with hangers at all. Macrame has always been a “hands-on” thing for me. The instructions can be a bit intimidating. I was hoping someone would come in with some pics so I could see exactly what you’re talking about. I’ll stay tuned!

While I’ve declined to actually follow your directions, I’m 90% sure I’ve used the technique with folded paper to make bouncy legs for rabbits and things. However, if the technique had a name, I wouldn’t know what it was.

Thanks for the reply anyway, Kalhoun. I saw it was getting viewed and just had to try to clear up whatever was vague or misleading.

I once borrowed a plant hanger that was on sale at a garden supply shop so I could duplicate it. It was made of cotton twine and had one of the most intricate designs I had seen until that time. It took a great deal of time and energy to tie it, and writing down instructions (using macrame’ jargon) was even harder. I dubbed the thing “Ms. Mac’s Mystery Macrame’ Marvel” and only tied one other one for somebody who was willing to pay for it.

The one I described in the OP went to my brother and his wife for a Christmas present. Last time I was at his place he still had it hanging.

BTW, Kalhoun, I noticed your pictures in the recent pic threads and was pleasantly surprised with your looks. I had you in my mind as cute, but you outdo my impression of you. (I guess I have a mental image of just about everybody here). The picture I had formed in my mind had you as brunette and maybe with glasses, with a semi-wicked smile. Your pictures are more flattering than that.

Zeldar, your instructions are excellent.

It never occurred to me that there was a name for this.

Now I’m going to be going crazy until someone who what this is called comes along and puts us all out of our misery.

Thanks. I can see how bouncy legs might be one use for that thing. One of the strangest uses I have for it is when I’m waiting to pick up my order at Captain D’s, which normally takes around five minutes if they’re crowded. I tear off the end of the sales ticket and fold it down to maybe 1/8" and proceed to fold it up. Sometimes I can do two of them. When it’s time to pick up my order, I leave the little squares for the clerk. That usually gets a look of surprise mixed with disdain, but it gives me something to do while I’m waiting.

I’m right with you! You wouldn’t believe how long it’s taken me to work up the courage to try to describe this thing in hopes somebody would know what it’s called. I finally broke down (as you can see) and the responses are giving me some sense of relief in that I don’t appear to be alone in knowing how to fold the thing – and not knowing what to call it.

Of all the searching I’ve done on the web in macrame’ and origami sites, nothing has even come close.

I may have to break down and go searching for those pattern books after all. I bet it’s been going on 30 years since I last used any of them. There’s even an Encyclopedia of Ornamental Knots in that box. Expensive book.

Aw, shucks! Thanks! My pics usually just fade into the background amongst all the hotosity that is the Dope. Heh-heh…at my age, I’m happy if I don’t scare people into a state of semi-catatonia!

Back to the subject at hand…Now that “bouncy legs” have been mentioned, I’m getting a better idea of what it is, but I cannot imagine how I’d knot that with fiber. I can see it with flat ribbon, but not with a traditional macrame cord. I hope someone comes in here with some pics. It’s driving me a little nuts.

First, my favorite expression for somebody who’s a bit hard to look at is “She’d back a dog off a meat truck” with variations on dog including crow, buzzard, dingo, hyena, etc., and meat truck replaced by gut wagon and other conveyances for hauling stuff that’s in the process of rotting. But I digress…

The macrame’ piece using this general idea involved panels comprised of clove hitch rows forming rough triangle shapes that were on the order of 6-8" at the widest edge, down to just a couple of inches at the small edge. Just exactly how they worked from panel to panel is something I’m not remembering, and I may even have those details messed up. The clove hitch panels are for sure; the other part not so much. I do know it was a time-consuming project and used up gobs of cord. I mostly used jute for hangers in those days.

I think I know what you’re talking about. When this is done in macrame, it’s not folded, but done with a series of half knots - the spiral is called a a “sinnet.”

Is this it?

I’ve done the folding thing with paper, and it looks similar to this.

I thought it was that knot at first but the folding part is definitely something else. I’m getting more of a complex accordion vibe from the description.

Nope. Not the one I’m after. This spiral is much larger in scale and isn’t formed around a standing cord (or cords). The whole section of the hanger I made that involved the spiral form was at least 10" across and from top to bottom of that portion of the hanger it was at least a foot tall, and maybe two or three. That part is a bit fuzzy now.

Back when I first started playing with knots that later became the major components of macrame’ it was with what we called “gimp” (sp?) and was a plastic coated material in bright colors that we would use to make bracelets, lanyards, neckties, and other assorted things at summer camp. The name we had for the form in your picture was “spiral plait” or “spiral wrap” since it was usually done around an already braided section of the piece.

Sennit, or sennet in some usages, usually forms the arms of a pot hanger, and is usually either spiral as in your picture or “flat” when it’s made of square knots instead of granny knots.

Thanks for the try, though.

That’s right. Accordion is a good example of how the folds work. Spiral staircases, too.

AhaHere's a bouncy snake made of two colors of construction paper. They just call the method of folding the paper an accordian fold.

Probably doesn’t help with the macreme version.

Note: accordian folded paper is used for a wide variety of craft projects, many of them not using accordian fold to mean the same thing that it is used for in the snake project.

The tail portion is very close to, if not the same as, what I’ve been trying to describe. Accordion fold seems like as good a description as we have so far.

It’s quite possible the name for the analogous macrame’ technique is something more “artsy craftsy” or specialized. But that’s a start for searches on trying to find a pattern online.

Okay, folks. I finally broke down and located my stash of macrame’ pattern booklets and went through more than 20 of them before locating the pattern I tied nearly 30 years ago.

This Ebay link shows the cover of the booklet, which (in case the link dies) is:

New Macrame’
plant hangers and home decorating ideas
easier to follow * full color instructions
30-13760
by Lynn Paulin
HP-450
© 1976 James E. Gick
Mission Viejo, Calif. 92675

The “Spiraling Double Half Hitch Hanger” in on pages 20-21

Nowhere does any name for the shape/form I tried to describe in the OP appear. It’s “this mysteriously spiraling hanger” as far as Ms. Paulin is concerned. So the search is still on for a generic names for this thing.

At least there’s something to look for – if you’re interested by what’s been said in the thread.

Sorry about the link. Time expired before I could edit it. Trythis one instead.

I think the paper version is called “catstairs”. I learned it as a kid, maybe in Brownies. Somehow, I remembered all these years later.

The only image I could find with google is this duck. Specifically the legs.