Do you think about where you shop?

I’ve always tried to shop at small businesses when I can, and businesses that support my values if possible. Sometimes it just isn’t feasible (like now, when Target is a stretch financially), but I do try. I’m not sure where I developed this; it may be that my Dad was a small business owner, and that I have tried to make a go of it sometimes. It may be that I’m just sick of mega-corporate culture.

It irks me when I have to shop at a big chain, either because it is the only thing that carries what I need, or because the local non-chain has shot itself in the foot (I’m talking about YOU, Go-for-it Gas!).

Our local area has a total of three non-chain restaurants. Luckily, one is a dive-diner, one is a family restaurant, and one is upscale and fancy. The rest, I try to avoid. (MD’s is always an exception to food rules… sorry, I am a cretin.)

I guess I am just missing living in the city today. I used to be able to walk a few blocks and fit all my shopping needs.

So, do you think about socio-economic impact when you shop, or an I just a weirdo?

I don’t shop at Wal-Mart unless I really need to.

I try not to buy anything at pet stores that sell dogs or cats, because I don’t want to support puppy mills.

Yes, I think about socio-economic impact when I shop, very much so. However, there are exceptions to the no chain rule. I all but refuse to shop at WalMart. However, I won’t buy tires anywhere besides Discount Tire. Their customer service is superb at all the locations I’ve visited, and their replacement certificates for $15 a tire, including free repairs, have saved me hundreds of dollars. On the other hand, I have no problem buying textbooks online, and buy 90% of my electronics online, also.

Fuck it. I shop where the prices are low and the selection is high. I shop at Wal-Mart, Canadian Tire and Home Depot. Sorry, but I’m in it for me.

Well, I do agree that there are times when the warantees, price cuts and the like make me shop at chains. I just don’t like to do it.

Anne Neville, that one is a HUGE one for me. Luckily, there are tons of small shops and a great on-line service around here that wouldn’t dream of dealing in critters, so I’m safe.

We absolutely give the small business guy a chance whenever we can. Examples would include family restaurants instead of a chain, my dear Lebanese friend’s liquor store instead of cheaper Spec’s, the specialty deli for exotic food items instead of the upscale grocery, a local electrician instead of ARS, etc. The exception I can think of is, like Santo Rugger, I go to Discount Tire, yesterday in fact. If their tire screws up any of their stores will fix it for free even if I’m eight states over and I find that a very real necessity.

The pets-for-sale one is deal breaker for me, too. There is a pet food store in my town that sells the premium brand that I feed (Merrick) to my cats and dog, but they also sell puppies. I drive 25 miles to get my pet food from a store that does not sell puppies just because of that. I will shop at Wal-Mart if I need something after all other stores are closed, so I’m not a real stickler about not shopping there.

What is it about stores selling puppies that makes you think they – the puppies – all come from deplorable puppy mills? Might they not indeed come from reputable breeders? And what if they do come from a puppy mill but are well fed, healthy and treated well? So what?

There’s only one store I won’t shop at - Sam’s Club. And there’s no altruistic motivation behind that decision - they just pissed me off 17 years ago and I’m still holding a grudge.

Do chain petstores sell animals in certain places? Quite a few have adoption days, but I’ve never seen pedigree cats or dogs being sold at chains in the last several years. It’s the small stores which actually sell them here.

I can’t shop at Walmart, but it isn’t really for any moral reasons; I just feel dirty in there. Target has an almost identical business model, yet they seem to attract a higher clientele and be cleaner inside. I really can’t afford to be picky otherwise, Costco for stuff I use a lot of, and the supermarket for the rest.

leaffan, that is a huge topic in itself. Believe me, no decent breeder will sell through a shop. Ever. If you want to start a GD topic, it would fill quickly, I’m sure… but trust me on this one, I do know of what I speak.

Reputable breeders do not sell their puppies at pet stores. Most have buyers for their pups before the dogs are even bred. For every puppy mill puppy bought, a shelter puppy won’t find a home and is put down. Why breed dogs when so many are in shelters and euthanized every single day? That is why I will never shop at a place that sells pets.

Another person who won’t shop at WalMart. I also shop at CostCo, which has low prices and benefits.

For grocery shopping, I prefer my local Safeway. Though they are degrading benefits for new hires, the older checkers etc. get them, and it shows in their service. They also don’t have the damn self-checkout lines, but are as fast as the Lucky’s which does. They were also very nice to all our guide dog puppies when we brought them in.

For bookstores, though I prefer locally owned used bookstores, I prefer our B&N, because it supported a writers’ critique group I used to go to. They were also good at bringing in local writers. I do drop into independents and buy stuff whenever I’m near one, but there aren’t any in our town.

From what I’ve heard, there are very few (if any) puppy mills that do treat their animals well. They breed their bitches too often, which causes health problems. They aren’t always as careful with which animals should be bred as a good breeder is, which can result in genetic problems with health or temperament for the puppies. Puppy mills don’t always do as much socializing of their animals as should be done to get a pet with a good, friendly temperament, either- socializing at a young age is very important for the temperament of puppies or kittens. A puppy or kitten that isn’t socialized to humans young isn’t likely to grow up to be a friendly animal that isn’t afraid of people (and if I’m getting a puppy or kitten, that’s the kind I want). And puppy mills sell their animals through large distributors, and the people at the pet store who sell the animals generally don’t know anything about conditions at the breeder that bred those animals, so you as a buyer can’t know either.

Even if a puppy mill did treat its animals well, and I had some way of knowing that, I would still have a problem with pet stores that sell animals. Reputable breeders generally want to know quite a bit about who’s getting their puppies before they will sell you one. They want to know if you will spay or neuter the dog, what kind of training you will get for the dog, where on your property the dog will live, stuff like that. And they will make you sign a contract, so they could take back the dog if you say you will do something (like spay or neuter it) and then don’t do it. If you buy a puppy from a pet store that sells them, the only question you will generally be asked is “can you pay for this animal”. I think letting anyone who can pay for it have any kind of dog they want is a bad idea (especially for breeds that can be dangerous, like pit bulls or any large breed dog). I would be against a “no-questions-asked” business model of selling puppies even if the puppies and their parents were very well treated by the breeder, because of the problems that happen when people who shouldn’t have certain kinds of dogs get them. Problems like neighborhood kids getting mauled to death by poorly-trained large dogs… And then there are lesser problems for the dogs, like an energetic dog (such as a border collie) being sold to someone who lives in a tiny apartment and doesn’t want to spend much time exercising the dog.

If you’re willing to buy a dog or cat when you know nothing about health or temperament problems it might have, go to the animal shelter and get one there- that way, you’re saving an animal that might otherwise be killed. It will probably also be cheaper than buying an animal, especially a large dog, from a pet store. A shelter adoption fee is also more likely than a pet store price to include necessary medical care like worming, shots, and spaying or neutering.

If pet stores did make sure they bought puppies and kittens only from a breeder that treated its animals well and paid careful attention to genetics when breeding, and did properly socialize the animals, and did do some screening on the people who get their animals, and did keep the puppies and kittens in their stores in decent enclosures, I wouldn’t have a problem buying from them. But I don’t know of any that do those things (if one did, they would presumably advertise it, to get business from people who are concerned about puppy mills). So I won’t buy anything from stores that sell puppies or kittens.

Stores that have dog and cat adoptions at the store are a whole nother story, of course. I’m quite willing to buy pet supplies from a store like Petco or Petsmart that provides space and time for people from a local animal shelter or rescue group to show available animals and do adoptions.

Every dollar I save by shopping at Walmart is a dollar I can spend making a better life for my wife and son. Those are my values.

I don’t shop at:
[ul][li]Wal*Mart (dirty and bad for the country; also, my closest was the country’s busiest last year, so it’s a total zoo) [/li][li]Winn-Dixie (dirty and rude. My brother used to work there, and after what he told me, never will I buy anything that’s not hermetically sealed from one of those stores.)[/li][li]Sweetbay (used to be Kash N Karry and Food Lion and is still tainted IMO from those days)[/li][li]Sears (unacceptably awful customer service and expensive)[/li][li]Pet stores that sell puppies and kittens (there are already enough dogs and cats in the world. Go to a damn shelter for God’s sake.)[/li][li]Chik-Fil-A (don’t like their politics)[/li][li]Domino’s (ditto)[/ul][/li]
There are some I’m forgetting, I’m sure, but those are the big ones.

[QUOTE=Bambi Hassenpfeffer]
I don’t shop at:
[list][li]Wal*Mart (dirty and bad for the country; also, my closest was the country’s busiest last year, so it’s a total zoo) <snip>[/li][/QUOTE]

Bolding mine.

Not to pick on Bambi, but is this story spread by every Wally World in the country? There are two in New Mexico alone, that by store decree or via the rumor mill, are the “highest grossing”, have the “most customers per day”, or “receive the highest amount of welfare money” :o in the country.

I kind of wish I could say I don’t buy pizza from Domino’s because I don’t like their politics. But the truth is, I don’t buy pizza from Domino’s because their pizza sucks.

I don’t buy wine from Sebastiani or any company affiliated with them, because the owners were very active in promoting a proposition on the California ballot a few years ago that would have required parental notification before a minor could get an abortion.

I don’t think about it LOADS, but yeah. I try to think a little more broadly about not just chasing down the cheapest price I can. I recognize that rewarding price and only low price (when it comes to choosing where I shop and what I buy) has other costs, too, some of them longer-term and more about overall quality-of-life in my town and beyond.

17 years is admirable grudge holding, my hat is off to you.