Do you think adopted kids are obliged to search for their biological parents?

Yes Badtz, I do, I completely think a parent should have contact with their children from the beginning and trust me, if my birth mother was gun-ho, she’d be welcome in my life. I don’t see that a child should be denied or a parent denied. I think the world has created this horrible void for both parent and child when it involves adoption. For both parties, it’s a stressful issue, if you can look up the book I recommended earlier, Primal Wound and it might actually give you a clue.

I am wondering what your connection is to adoption! Please tell me as I am very curious.

I already mentioned my connection to adoption…now I’m looking over my posts to see where I implied I had a more direct connection…

First of all, seeing as you aren’t adopted you have no idea what it’s like. Second, I did the legal attempts, legal stuff dude. YES, if I can I will go through other means by which to contact her because I am never one to give up on that, and if she’s smart enough, she knows it.

Mental anguish??? Hullo, what about MY mental anguish, she is the one that decided to bring to me life and send me to a family she didn’t know. I was a baby, I couldn’t decide upon who or where I would go, and I got my ass beat a lot. If she doesn’t want to deal with it, I am sure with gentle nudgings (sp) she might come around. She may, and I feel she does, want to get to know me, I feel it in my heart, she’s just scared as hell like I said earlier.

She was contacted through an intermediary, and honestly I think she wants to meet me, I really believe that. If I really felt she didn’t I would let it be, but something in my heart (and I am good, usually, at this sort of thing) tells me she really wants to know me and has a curiousity about me much like I have for her. Like I said I am usually very good at knowing this.

Hey, I have only bothered her once, er legally, and if I can’t give her a second chance then I might as well crawl under a rock and wish for a quick death. I know I wasn’t born out of some horrible circumstance, I was the product of two people that were in love but not enough to get married, and not enough for her to tell her parents. But that doesn’t stop me and it shouldn’t. I didn’t do anything wrong but be born. I was the product of a weird relationship, but hell, as one that was born to odd circumstances that should not preclude me from attempting to seek out my roots.

And I will seek them out, I don’t care what you say…as I feel in my heart she hurts for not attempting to contact me, I dream about it and it’s got to be more than just the weird dreams I have but she really hurts in her heart to refuse me and with the correct person telling her that I am okay, meaning me, that she will understand I will not tell her parents and I am the woman that she can call daughter.

If you knew someone who was so afraid of the idea of confronting their child that you were sure it would cause them grave psychological harm if a meeting was forced, would you still think the child would have the right to that meeting?

I’m sorry, but your arguments seem very selfish to me. You don’t care what your birth mother wants, you feel a need that you think she could help with, and because of that think you should have the right to meet her, despite her wishes. I think people should have the right to choose who they interact with, with no exceptions. One might have other obligations to a person, such as paying child support, but you can’t force them to spend time with that person. Biological ties do not guarantee social ties in my worldview.

This is a lot like what stalkers say - ‘although she says she doesn’t want to meet me, I think she really does, if I could only talk to her I know she would return my feelings…’ It’s typical thinking for someone with a one-way obsession. If she wanted to meet you, she would. That should be the end of the story.

Yes you did, your grandmother, and for my screw up I apologize, but you still can’t fathom what it’s like for some adoptees. Grandmother or no, a generation removed and then some.

Let’s see if I had one of my grandmother’s adopted out, I would think “Well, typical of the time, the time with which a child who was pregnant was taken to a home for unwed mothers and chastised all the while.” In the 20s-60s it was bad for a woman to have a child out of wedlock. Women were looked upon as whores, sluts, deviants. YET, when it comes to the adoptive children their whole lives where hidden as if some dirty secret. This I oppose as we didn’t ask to be born, we were born and given up like cattle at an auction…don’t let me get pissy here guys as I will with regards to Badtz…I am about to go ballistic.

Pretty sad if you ask me. Up through the 60s/70s we adoptees where considered bastard children we were born of the devil or we were destined to nothin but no good in the eyes of many.

I could really go Pit Like on you over this comment, but you know what, you are just now to a point of amusing me…your obviously only wanting to get a rise out of me.

Ah, but you know what Badtz, er whatever the freak your name is? After being contacted after 28 years her main reaction may have been to not want to meet me, once this means ONE TIME, she may change her fucking mind. OH and do you know her cuz I really would like your play by play on WHAT SHE’S THINKING, okay. You are so brilliant my eyes hurt. I can’t fathom my life without your knowledge. I need to know your brilliance and see if it out shines any feelings I might have. You have the abilities to tell us all what my birth mother is thinking. OH SHIT and you have the knowledge by which to tell me when my need to back down is happening. OH MY FUCKING GOD, you also know when all else fails I need to defer to you and your great knowledge.

Get over yourself would you?

Adopted children should have the right to ask for contact, but birth parents should have the right not to accept.

In a better world, birth parents wouldn’t feel so much anxiety about meeting the child that they gave up for adoption.

In an even better world, there’d be no need for adoption.

In my case there was. I considered myself unfit to raise my child. I was an emotionally abusive person, and feared that my child would have been harmed by my parenting.

I have ‘postbox’ contact with the child’s adoptive parents. They write to me once a year through social workers. When the child reaches the age of 18, if he wishes, he can make contact through the social workers. I would accept a meeting with him, but I can understand why someone would wish to refuse a meeting.

There is no excuse for my “giving my child up like cattle at a cattle market”, except to say that I think things could have been a lot worse if I had brought the child up. I do feel guilt — these days I think that women like me who give up their children for adoption are seen as scum, whereas in the past unmarried mothers were looked down on. I feel that I must be a heartless, evil person for failing to love my child. If I had kept him, I do not think that I would have necessarily learned to love him. I do not think that a soul would have appeared in me out of thin cold air. The baby I gave birth to is being raised by parents who do love him.

I accept your anger.

This tread resembles a train wreck.

Tansu, I can’t imagine anyone thinking that you are a “heartless, evil person.” When you chose to carry your baby to term and give him up for adoption you did a very selfless and loving thing. In a truly better world more people would have your courage and strength.

Getting back to the OP, I don’t think that an adopted child has any requirement to look up his/her birth parents. Nor do I think the birth parents have any requirement to make themselves known to the child. I like the services that allow them to get together if they are both searching.

TechChick; for what it’s worth yours was the first post I ever read that made me well up. I’m not adopted, so I cannot even begin to know how you feel, but I do feel for you.

I’m not going to bad-mouth anyone, but my personal reaction to the comment that linked your search with stalking left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Enough said, I don’t want to hijack the OP…

I’m adopted, the only thing that I know about my birth mother is that she was 17 when she had me. Abortion was legal at the time, so I am incredibly grateful to her for giving me my life, when I’m sure it was a difficult thing for her.

My adoptive parents ARE my parents. From them come my values and my neuroses. :wink: They have told me that if I ever wanted to look they would fully support me and give me all their help.

Growing up knowing I was adopted has always made me feel a little bit different. I don’t feel any of the pain of abandonment that techchick describes (I’m sorry, techie, it can’t have been easy for you). When I was a kid I’d fantasize that my parents were circus performers, royalty, adventurers…MUCH cooler than my boring adoptive parents iwth their silly rules, you know.

To answer the OP, I don’t think I’m obliged to search for my biological parents. I think that someday I will try to find them, so I can say “I’m sure you’ve wondered about me more than once, as I have about you. Thank you for having me and thanks for giving me such amazing parents. I grew up with people who wanted me and loved me, I turned out great.” Of course, I’d also love to have my family medical history. And to see if any part of me is like my biological family - do we have the same laugh? Can either of them sing? Do they write and travel like me?

My brothers were adopted when they were older, they had been abandoned by their alcoholic mother and put through some severely abusive foster home situations - my little bro is still pretty messed up. I don’t think they would ever look back.

Well. I had to get up and walk away in the middle of reading this thread. I think I’ve composed myself now.

Ok we’re talking about adopted “children” searching for their birthparents. I am 30 years old. When exactly do I get to be an adult?

I am an adoptee. I know very little about my birthparents, which until recently didn’t matter much to me. I grew up being told that I didn’t need to know. Secrecy was best for all involved. I believed it - why not? That was how things were done.

Yes, I am thankful that my birthmother was able to give me up. It must have been incredibly difficult. But I cannot possibly believe that she just put me out of her mind afterward. And that’s the thing I can’t stop wondering about. Does she think about me? When my birthday rolls around every year does she imagine what I’m doing now? What I must look like?

I don’t know how to explain it to anyone who isn’t adopted. I don’t look like anyone I know. Can you imagine what it’s like to look at strangers and wonder if they could be your relatives? It’s very possible I have younger siblings. Do they know I exist?

Yeah, I want to know who my birthmother is. Do I actually want to meet her in person? Maybe. What if she doesn’t want to meet me? Well, you know I’m an adult and can respect another person’s wishes. However the state in which I was born doesn’t see it that way. According to the law I’ll always be a child who needs someone else’s permission to see my own records.

This gave me goosebumps. I can’t speak for parents who gave their children up for adoption at birth nor for the type of experiences you’ve had, techchick68, but I dread my little brother’s birth parents coming back into his life. As I joyfully exclaimed in this thread, it’s taken years to remove the birth parents from Michael’s life. They’re drug users and alcoholics who, when Michael was still in their custody, frequently neglected him or put him in dangerous situations. Even if they got their act together, I don’t know how I’d feel about them making an appearance in his life again…say, 10-15 years down the road.

I understand that as an adopted child, he may need to seek out his birth parents, and my mother (now his mother) has never suggested that she would prevent this. But I think his birth parents have had all the opportunities they deserve. It should be Michael’s decision to interact with them or not.

–moi.

Of course children are not obliged to seek out their birth parents.

I do not feel that adoptees have any right to know of or meet their birth parents.

I understand the desire and hurt that can be involved but when we start equating feelings with rights we are in trouble.

There are very important reasons to create a mechanism by which children can be separated from their biological parents without resorting to abortion (I am pro choice, before anyone attacks on that regard).

In some instances open adoption can be a good thing, but it can also be a very bad thing. I think blind adoption is very necessary. And those who enter into it need to know that their decision won’t be reversed by others at a later date. For those who change their minds later, their are many methods by which bio-parents and bio-children can find each other.

Life is hard, life isn’t always fair. Techchick, I understand your hurt, but it isn’t really relevant to “rights.” You have the right to seek contact, and she has the right to refuse. I can only hope that you can find a balance that doesn’t so strongly tie your self-image to her.

moi: It is quite possible that your birth-parents wonder about you, but I can also tell you that it is easily conceivable that they haven’t had a thought about you since the day they gave you up. If they are interested in hearing from you, there are several services that try to connect people interested in finding each other.

And no, I am not going to describe my connection to adoption. The idea that an opinion is valid only as related to the person espousing it is intellectually dishonest.

Moderator’s note:

This is one of those emotional hot-button issues on which there won’t be consensus. As tomndebb wisely noted there probably isn’t an all-governing rule.

By all means post to this topic but keep in mind it is a hot button for some. Equally, keep in mind that it’s possible for good people to disagree and a different viewpoint does not equal attack.

I’m leaving the thread open and in IMHO for the moment. The topic is surely worth an exchange of opinions, versus formal debate or outright flaming. But if the tone deteriorates into a free-for-all there won’t be any alternative to removing from this forum.

Please try to keep the discussion civil, kind and rational.

TVeblen
IMHO

My experience has been much like Magdelene’s. I’m adopted, and my adoptive parents are my parents. When I was younger I also used to fantasize that they were glamourous, exciting people but I always knew the reality could be somewhat different. My brother was adopted as well, and I don’t remember a time when I didn’t know we were adopted. It was never a secret, so there was no “We have to tell you something…” moment. My parents always explained it that they had picked us out of all the other children in the world. In a twist I find amusing, I learned that when they went to the adoption agency for me, the case worker told them she knew a woman who looked just like my mother, only smaller, and asked if they would like her baby. This explains why my adopted mother and I resemble one another except for the fact I’m several inches shorter.

I’ve never had any real desire to seek out my birth parents. I was raised by loving set of parents, and grandparents, and aunts and uncles, who’ve never made any issue of the fact my brother and I were adopted. I don’t feel like there’s a hole in my life because I don’t know the people whose genetic code I carry. I’ve wondered about the possibility that one of them might contact me, but I wonder about this so little I don’t even know the Texas laws pertaining to it. I don’t feel like I would have anything to say to my birth parents, except to thank them for giving me to my parents.

Adoptees certainly are not obliged to search out their bio-o-parents,nor are bio-parents obliged to have any contact with adoptees, but… I have a problem with the idea that bio-parents and adoptive parents can arrange a closed adoption,keeping even the names secret and with no mechanism for contact through an intermediary, (because that’s what they want,at least at the time) and that arrangement is forever binding on the the adoptee,who had no part in making the decision.

Parents make all kinds of decisions that are binding on the child for life all the time. Just because it is on a particularly emotional issue doesn’t change it.

I was actually considering making a post about my mother’s adoption search. In my case, most of it would have been downright amusing because of the outcome so far. But that’s not what I intended to address here.

My mother was adopted in 1946. After 54 years on this planet, she’d expressed many times a desire to have some information about her “background.” There were things holding her back and we talked about it on occasion. Finally, I ended up doing the legwork and tracking some things down for her.

Now I’m not so sure how I feel about this topic. On the one hand, I see value in an adoption being permanent and final. My mother gave deep consideration to the things she might run into regarding her birth mother. Was the woman married to a man who was unaware she’d had a child? Would there be siblings involved who would be angered or upset in some way? The list of possibilities is endless…a myriad of situations that could cause misery for the birth family AND for the adopted daughter are possible.

In the end, HER decision was to start a limited search. We are still working on it. And in this case, the point is moot because the age of the birth mother at the time of childbirth was old enough that there is almost zero chance she’s still around to be harmed in any way by my mother’s actions.

I do understand arguments for the birth parents’ privacy and anonymity. But because of my experience, I feel there are certain things about yourself you should have a right to know. I was shocked and angered to find out the ways in which Catholic Social Services (in this case) took steps to make sure my mother couldn’t find out who she was. When I began my search, I was told that there was a 0% chance that my mother knew her real birthdate. Adoption agencies changed them within a couple of months to make sure the child couldn’t find out about themselves using their birthdate as a search mechanism.

She doesn’t know her own birthdate.

To me, that’s a powerful sentence. I suppose you could say that’s trite information, not really important to who you grow up to be. But there are other things as well…such fundamental, basics to who we are.

I’m not sure I’m convinced that the adopted “child” should be given a birth family’s name and address and free reign to contact them whenever they like. I do believe, however, that there ought to be certain information a person has an inalienable right to. Catholic social services lied outright to my mother and her adoptive family. They lied about ethnic heritage, the age of the birth mother, and the circumstances surrounding my mother’s birth. I don’t mean to say they didn’t give out any information, or left things blank. I mean they literally MADE SHIT UP and my mother believed it to be true until she was 54 years old.

This angers me and it hurt my mother and I see no reason that it should be acceptable.

Hmm…still trying to decide if I should make that post or not…

-L

I know it has been awhile since you posted to this thread techchick but… breathe.

You are running on sheer emotion at this point and in my opinion are over the top. Obviously you want to meet your birth mother, but if she doesn’t want to meet you it is time to move on with things. She has the same option to contact the intermediary as you do if she changes her mind. Let her make the decision at this point. She knows you want to contact her so the ball is in her court.
Now that whole thing about the birth parents being able to contact the child when they see fit. That my friends is a load of hooie. They gave up that right when they gave the child up for adoption. In this case the child has the serve.

One last thing…from a heritage standpoint… are you telling me that you are unable to receive non-identifying information regarding your birth parents? Is this due to Colorado law or the individual adoption agency/service?

techchick…she does not define you as a person…you define yourself. Be strong.