Why hack the votes when you can hack the voters? But, I kind of wonder what happened here in Michigan. 10K votes could be an easy lift with “thumb on the scale” stuff. Maybe not Russians, maybe township officials in (very) red areas.
The electronic machines themselves aren’t tamper proof. Many of them aren’t secured by any means. I’d rather point to the key areas for Trump and past voting history in those areas. The man is a dumb liar, but he’s a real good showman, and that’s what got him the vote. His approving base has slid into the red zone over the last three years. I don’t see a clean chance at 2020 like 2016 was given how people know who he is now.
No. The results of the election were very organic and consistent with demographic and past voting trends across broad areas. To have achieved that, Russia would have had to take over different types of tabulation systems across hundreds of local election authorities in dozens of states.
Is it your belief that the Russian government has people in place that have access to voter registration databases? Do you have evidence that they have a single person in one of these positions?
If Russia tampered with the vote, millions of shrieking conspiracy theorists from Maine to Hawaii haven’t produced a single piece of evidence they did so. My faith in shrieking conspiracy theorists makes this a “definitely didn’t do” for me.
There are also hundreds of Trump-hating spooks who have access to all kinds of information. None of this info has surfaced that points to vote tampering.
Yes. Russian Hackers Could Have Altered Voter Data Before 2016 Election
Will you concede point or talk about how all government is bad so it’s OK anyway?
OP, so far, we’re faring way better than the YouGov poll, right? Even in that poll, 18% of Republicans chose the top two – maybe the SDMB is all Republican.
All this means to me is that someone put a question on a questionnaire. Questionnaire design is out of my bailiwick (there’s people down the hall who handle that side of things) but how a survey question is worded can have a pretty large effect on how it’s answered.
The obvious thing that occurs to me is that the question might’ve been worded in a way that it registered with the respondents as “did Russia interfere with the election” and they may well have answered on that basis. I think you’d have to have a very careful sequence of questions to separate people’s beliefs on whether Russia specifically tampered with the tallies from whether they interfered with the election more generally. So we need a link that goes to the survey questions.
Yes! (No snark, sincerely, I’m impressed … but I’ve got to make this one joke:) You’re generally acquitting yourselves as well as Republicans.
And you’ll find just such a link, in the OP. Each graphic is preceded by the precise wording of the question asked. And if that’s enough, at the end of the article there’s a link to the table results, a 230-page PDF.
SDMB, now with 17% nuts!
The most fascinating thing about this thread is watching conservatives pretend that they are now interested in facts.
“You libtards are just wishing against facts that Russia fixed the election? Wha? Huh? Climate change? Let’s not be too hasty now…”
The only conservative I see in this thread is HurricaneDitka and he’s only talked about the poll.
No shots, please. Stay focused.
So there are 138 questions in this poll. I’m not going to go through them all to find the one you’re talking about. Care to just tell me which question it is?
I found it. It’s the third part of question #42, a 4-parter. Preceding question #42, there have been six multi-part questions: two 10-part questions, two 8-part questions, a 7-parter, and a 5-parter. So effectively it’s question #86 in a poll that the respondent isn’t even 1/3 of the way through yet.
I don’t know about you, HD, but if I was still hanging in there at that point, I wouldn’t exactly be making nuanced distinctions when I read/heard (depending on mode) and responded to a question.
So how far into any given poll do you think we should stop treating it as statistical evidence and start disregarding it? 50 questions? 25? 10? 3?
No, they just manipulated American stupidity in order to get Donald Trump elected President.