Ouroboros ain’t got nothin’ on the Doctor, huh?
I want the time I spent watching series 5, 6, and 7 back, and I so very desperately want RTD back. 
I started watching thinking I was going to be disappointed, but GOOD GOD! This is the first time in the entire run of New Who that I can say I didn’t care for any part of an episode.
Clara’s “I’m the impossible girl. I’m the impossible girl.” Don’t care.
Trenzalore and the Doctor’s tomb. Don’t care.
Vastra, Strax, and Jenny. UGH, Don’t care. :rolleyes:
The Great Intelligence. Ditto.
River Song, her space hair, and her “spoilers”. Emphatically, violently DO. NOT. GIVE. A. FLYING. FUCK!!! :mad:
As for the newest incarnation of the Doctor. Whoop-dee-freakin-do.
I know I’m in the minority, but I remember being on the edge of my seat or emotionally invested with the finales of RTD’s run, but since Moffat took over, my reaction to the finales of series 5 - 7 has been either meh or wtf.
So here is a big FUCK YOU MOFFAT for taking a ginormous, steaming, malodorous dump on my enjoyment of this character and this show.
Absolutely wonderful. The best episode since Tennant left, and twice as good as any other this (half) season.
Haven’t seen it yet but saw last weeks spoilers. So River is wiped from time? She never ever existed? I guess that will give the River haters a thrill.
I liked her but kept thinking she needed to be a full time companion. It got tiresome having her just drop into the Tardis once in awhile. At least now we know she’ll never return.
I’ll actually see the episode tonight on BBC America. I didn’t mind getting spoiled last weekend. I’m just not that invested in the story. It’s like ok, as expected Moffat never reveals the name. Big deal. I knew from prior history that Moffat never really answers questions.
Things were some much different with RTD. He had me on the edge of my seat a lot of times. Moffat does nice stories but I just can’t get invested in them the same way.
No.
You’ll be getting your beloved Rose and Ten back in the 50th anniversary special, so don’t cry too much. Also, do you actually remember how RTD finished his stories. Pixie-Doctor and the power of his name and all? Rose gets a Ten sex-doll?
Anyway, that was magnificent. Jeez, the ending - what on Earth is next? Will post more once the US contingent have seen it.
You mean, as opposed to all the giant friendly, timey-whimey reset buttons SM uses?
Frankly, I take no comfort in past companions coming back for a guest appearance, since Moffat will still be in charge, hence the story will still:
A) be timey-whimey
B) include River Song
C) have some big mystery that will continue to next series
It was better than I was expecting. So is this it for Clara? Just as I start to like a Companion Moffat snatches her away. I’m not sure if we’ll ever see this Doctor and Clara travel together again.
Moffat just loves screwing with the Doctor. How many times will he reinvent him?
I miss the simple days when the series focused on the Doctors travels and adventures. This focus on destroying the Doctor or unraveling some mystery about the companion doesn’t work for me.
That was awesome. My kids even kept quiet - they were interested too.
Awesome episode, one of the best since 11 arrived.
[spoiler]I’m guessing John Hurt is The Valeyard.
I loved the bit where Clara tells 1 which Tardis to steal. So satisfying … .[/spoiler]
Wait. So the name of the Doctor is…
…
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…I don’t get it.
Apparently, it’s Redd Herring.
(We thought that it was going to be the mystery on which the whole episode turned, but it turned out to be resolved halfway through and the rest of it didn’t even focus on the name.)
A) WHAT? Did you not watch any of the RTD stuff?
B) OK, she’s a Moffat character that started out in the RTD era
C) BAD WOLF
At first I thought the other person would turn out to be the Valeyard but I guess John Hurt is the Doctor who started the time war.
I loved her interaction with the first Doctor. Too bad they couldn’t work Susan in there.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m no anti-RTD person. The best three consecutive weeks of Who in its history happened on his watch - the two Human Nature episodes and Blink.
Theres so much unanswered. How will the Doctor get out of his time stream? What happens if Clara leaves the time stream? Will she still be in the past saving the Doctor?
I don’t know how I feel. It’s such a mess.
Is River gone forever? We don’t even know if Matt Smith is coming back next year.
Much better than I was expecting. And happy to see that Clara aint over yet but her mystery is.
I definitely thing it was in the top 3 episodes of the last 2 seasons. Unlike many, I liked season 5, and really like how Moffat ended it, reset button be damned.
That said, he does seem to constantly overuse it.
The River we saw today was
the post-library River. Apparently she’s technically dead, but the copy of her that’s in the Library computer that we saw at the end of that two-parter can reach out to people, including in their dreamy conference calls. Kind of makes sense if she’s a computer-based consciousness. I always kind of wondered if we’d revisit the Library.
John Hurt …
[spoiler] Got three theories. I think I like the third the most. What I think we need to remember is that story-wise, it’s got to be something “big” to get Ten (or Ten-and-a-half) and Rose back.
- He’s the Valeyard. This is hardly original thought, it’s been rumored for ages.
- He’s the guy who pulled the trigger, so to speak, on the Time War’s ending. Not the 8th doctor, not the 9th doctor, a “8-and-a-half” doctor that the rest of his incarnations don’t think of as a “doctor” because what he did wasn’t something “The Doctor” would have normally done.
- My favorite hypothesis right now: he’s the Doctor before he became the Doctor - in other words “Zeroth Doctor” … and whatever he did is why (a) the Doctor stole the TARDIS originally (b) has been running ever since and © constantly seems to need to be saving people to make up for it.
I think story-wise, having to bring 10.5 back to help 11 team up against the Valeyard makes the most sense, and does kind of pay homage to the earlier multi-doctor specials. But the fanboy in me likes what #3 may represent.
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What do so many people have against River Song, anyway?
I never caught the Angels episode where she appeared, but I’ve caught most of her other ones. I’m not MADLY in love with her, but I think she’s cool enough, and I definitely don’t dislike her.
Is it that there are certain fans who can’t stand the idea of the Doctor having any sort of love interest? I think they’ve handled this one well enough, with the two of them meeting each other in reverse order. (This particular mindset is why some–even a few writers of Doctor Who novels–have tried so hard to retcon Susan as not the Doctor’s real, biological, born-of-his-own-child granddaughter.)
The only thing that would bother me is if they actually made River Susan’s grandmother. I don’t mind her being the Doctor’s (second?) wife, but I rather like the idea (always have) of the Doctor having a “lost Lenore” in his past, as certain lines here or there in the new show have hinted.
Matt Smith confirmed he would be in Doctor Who in 2014. Link
I guess he could be lying, I wouldn’t put it past Moffat to do a disinformation campaign.