He was also briefly the Doctor himself in The Curse of Fatal Death.
I hope you’re happy now, making me cry at this time on a Monday morning!
Lovely. sniff
(thought she couldn’t have kids after what they did to her at Demon’s Run…?)
True but:
Rory says they ‘finally’ adopted - in 1954 (IIRC)
ETA, brilliant clip and thanks for sharing.
Ah, I was struggling to hear it, even with the volume up - must’ve missed that word, thanks!
Or how about MEET THEM IN NEW JERSEY!!! OK, I don’t blame the Doctor for not wanting to come to New Jersey. But it’s not like Amy and Rory were trapped in Manhattan. Heck, they even know where the Doctor will be in 1941. Find a way to get back to England and hang out on Downing Street until you see Churchill and yell out to him that you need to see the Doctor. Or wait another 20+ years and take a road trip to Lake Silencio.
Once the paradox wiped away Winter Quay, there was nothing keeping them in Manhattan at all.
I finally got to watch this last night, and I was very disappointed. It felt like they had these big emotional moments they wanted to set up, and who cares if the story around it makes any sense at all. It’s starting to break my heart a bit every time the angels show up because it just gets worse and worse each time. Blink, amazing. Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, good. God Complex, cute. This one: bleah! At least 2 too many trips to that well.
And they couldn’t even use them right. I asked my wife, who hasn’t seen more than 2 or 3 episodes of the show: “If you have ever heard of the Weeping Angels, what’s the one thing you would know about them?” “Don’t Blink.” she replied. But in this episode, Amy, Rory, The Doctor, and River, who should all know better, looked away from the Angels ALL THE TIME! And rarely did it matter. The Statue of Liberty angel (which, yes, is dumb) just stood there snarling while Amy and Rory had their big moments, looking at each other. And inside Winter Quay, the angels were looking at each other ALL THE TIME, and were still able to move, when the whole point of “Blink” was about Sally and the Doctor tricking them into looking at each other to immobilize them permanently. I’m going to blame the director here and not Moffat, since he created the darn things and should know that. But still…
Nevermind the whole business with the chained Angel behind a curtain. Why would you put a trapped Angel where NO ONE COULD SEE IT! And the bit with the book meaning things couldn’t change. Or the Doctor going back to see little Amelia, which would completely change Amy’s whole character arc from the start.
I liked the cherubs.
I liked Rory figuring out how to save the day, which naturally involved him dying and coming back. It’s what he does.
I liked Amy choosing Rory over the Doctor one last time.
I liked 11 using 10’s “I’m so so sorry” line.
I finally bought the chemistry between the Doctor and River.
But other than that… ugh. Man, bad taste in my mouth on this one…
and after spending the summer mainlining Who from the start of the new series, now I’m stuck waiting like everyone else. wah!
In other news - Moffatt has confirmed that the Neil Gaiman episode later on this season will involve the Cybermen.
No news if they’re the Mondas Cybermen, the alt-universe Cybermen, or something else entirely. Gaiman being Gaiman, however, I suspect the first.
I am looking forward to this.
However…it makes me wish that classic Torchwood was still in business. I would love to see a TW episode with Ianto dealing with a Cyber-invasion, kicking ass in the name of Torchwood One and Lisa Hallett.
Except that the Doctor had already read the last page of the book, which said that he never saw them again, and thus creating a fixed point.
No, not exactly. It was because he saw Rory’s grave. Seeing ther last page came later.
I’m sorry for those who didn’t understand the plot. It does make sense (in Doctor Who logic) if you follow it. To help you, it goes like this:
Earlier in the story, Rory gets sent back in time, and lives his whole life in Winter Quay, and dies in bed. He changes this by dying before he can be sent back. The change causes a devastating paradox that swallows up River Quay and wipes it from existence.
So, at the end, he gets sent back into the past again, where he lives his life, eventually dies, and is buried in a New York cemetery. And the reason the Doctor can’t go back to get him? Because that would create another paradox that would devastate New York. He has to leave Rory to lived his life out in New York, and there’s no way to change it. Even if he does meet them in New Jersey, it would still be devastating.
As others have mentioned, that in no way means they have to live out their lives in the past without seeing the Doctor. Just that someone has to put a gravestone there with their names on it. Or if you want to assume that they are really buried there, they can meet the Doctor in 1940’s New Jersey, do anything they want for the rest of their lives, as long as they are eventually buried in that New York cemetery before 2012.
The Doctor knew he had to “die” at Lake Silencio in 1969. That didn’t stop him from galavanting around the universe for 200 years first.
I understand it. I just don’t agree with you that it makes sense, unless Doctor Who logic simply means, “It makes sense if the Doctor says it does.” Which is often true, but not really satisfying. This whole “fixed point” nonsense only seems to be invoked by writer fiat when they need to deny the logicial time-traveler response to short circuit the plot.
Gillan and Darvill are leaving the show. So it’s a “fixed point” and would cause a paradox to get them back. Bleah…
Oh, and if it was the page and not the grave, there was no date given for when Amy wrote that last page, IMHO. The doctor could “save” them any time between the day the book was published and their deaths.