You know, it seems to me that there has to be some planet out there with the kind of advanced technology that could restore Amy’s ovaries to full baby-making capacity. If only she had access to some kind of, I don’t know, spaceship so she could go there.
Fear yes. Imprison, no. Those they’d kill right off. They were not killed because their hatred was too beautiful to destroy.
Or, worst case scenario, a lab that can take samples of Rory and Amy’s DNA, mix it up in a cocktail shaker, and pour a nice babytini into chilled cocktail womb.
…that metaphor kinda got away from me at the end, there. My point stands.
Having done the infertile couple dance in real life, it’s never so simple as just “adopt”. The issue can put enormous strain on a relationship, people get highly emotional over it, and no, loving couples don’t always communicate well. The bungling of the issue by Amy and Rory is actually one of the more realistic bits in this episode.
It’s not just about biological reproduction - after all River Song is their biological child. It’s about raising a child, which they never got to do with River. A couple wanting to adopt can’t simply go down to the “Adoption Shop” and pick up a baby, there is extensive screening for such couples. Remember than Amy spent a lot of childhood in the care of the “mental health system”? How many adoption agencies are going to hand over a baby to a woman with a long history of mental illness and delusions?
Oh, double-whammy - not only can’t she have biological children, maybe she’s considered unfit to be an adoptive mother? In which case she’s the problem twice over and her choice to let Rory go (as she see it - he thought she kicked him out) really is the only way he’s going to be able to have and raise children?
Well, yeah, if the Doctor actually knows about the situation, but they’ve just been getting phone messages, not actually talking to him. Well, that one time he barged into the bedroom, but half-awake and a little ticked about the privacy violation is probably not a time the Ponds will spontaneously mention their marital difficulties.
So who put the chains on some of the Daleks? Other Daleks? Why would they care if a Dalek is locked up on a locked down planet? And why would anyone think chains could actually contain a Dalek anyway?
Also, why didn’t the Doctor take the girl with him when he left? Because she’s a Dalek? What difference did that make?
And who destroyed the planet at the end? The Daleks on the spaceship? Wasn’t the entire point that Daleks couldn’t destroy other Daleks because they respected each other’s hatred?
Inquiring minds wanna know.
The girl dalek had to be there to drop the protection field, after which the daleks in orbit nuked the place. She was making a deliberate sacrifice to allow the others to go free.
Yes, they did omit discussing the possibility of getting her to the transporter before she dropped the field so that she could possibly port out, too. She offered the sacrifice and they said, “You’re awesome! Thanks!”
But that can’t be right. The Doctor specifically went after her to take her out and then for some reason changed his mind after seeing she was a Dalek. If anything, it would be easier to get her out because she was doing it all in her head, so she could have turned the field off right next to the transporter.
Maybe another Amy/Rory baby will implode the universe. Given that they’ve tried to establish that Amy is super duper timey-wimey special. :dubious:
I actually liked this episode. Given that my default position is to hate any Dalek episode, I was happily surprised. I love the idea that the Daleks have no clue who the Doctor is now. It tickled me. Now if Moffat has someone (especially the Doctor) continually saying “Doctor Who” I will not like it at all, but I’ll give him this one.
I am very curious to see if Souffle Girl is actually the new companion, or another “My cousin died at Canary Wharf” thing.
Yeah, this ep had some plot holes. For seven series the Doctor is “The Oncoming Storm” (which is an awesome nickname) to the Daleks, and all the sudden he’s “The Predator”? And as soon as he mentioned a “small task force of Daleks” that could sneak onto the planet, I saw what was coming. Also, where the hell did the TARDIS come from? If they beamed from the asylum to the TARDIS, then shouldn’t we have heard the TARDIS landing in the parliment? (And since when do Daleks have a Parliment and Prime Minister, anyway?) I agree with a poster above: the Daleks suck as villians.
I could just be pulling this out of my touchus, but Rory’s slo-mo wheel and slide escape from the room full of Daleks seemed to be a nod to his new status in the fanbase as a badass. The way he held his flashlight and spun around made him look like a Jedi with a lightsaber.
I think that the early comment about Them sneaking in during the night, together with the slide between eggs and exterminate, it’s supposed to be assumed that it’s too dangerous to remove her from the asylum. She hadn’t become a full dalek yet, but the danger was still there.
I wonder if the nanogen exposure might miraculously restore Amy’s fertility, like the nanogens in The Doctor Dances?
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Well, historically “the help” was considered not entirely Human, er, Dalek. You need someone to do the dirty work and if they are out of town by sundown it’s okay.
But a bit much to be living in the pepperpot next door, so off to Asylum they go, to be admired from afar.
Sadly, she probably won’t have enough time to find out, if Moffat isn’t lying.
Hmm. That does make more sense…
Moffat isn’t going to kill her off, is he?? Because that would be mean. And Joss-like.
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The Tardis was there from the beginning – when the Doctor, Amy and Rory first arrived in the Parliament, there was the Tardis waiting for them. Presumably the the Daleks put it there after capturing the Doctor.
The teleport had limited range, so it could only take them to the Dalek ship: but since that’s where the Tardis was, they had the option of materialising inside that.
Howsabout a visit to Planet Doctor’s Daughter? They’ve got the machine right in the arrivals lounge.
That thing’s designed to create a fill grown adult.
I do believe that we’ll be getting a resolution to the fertility story for Amy and Rory though.
Those were nanogenes. The little bits from the S7 premier were neurobots. Not the same thing. I have no idea what the difference is, but not the same.
I’ll second most of the complaints in this thread - it was a pretty good episode overall, but it had some pretty gaping plot holes, the Daleks are OOC (since when have they been afraid of anything? Isn’t fear a weakness?), and Amy and Rory’s marriage is something that should have been a multi-episode arc. I"m really hoping Oswyn isn’t going to be the new Companion- we’ve already had one “semi-hot geek girl who’s witty and smarter than the Doctor” companion out of Moffat.
One thing that really took me out of the episode, though, was when “Harry” realized his body hadn’t been decaying because he died outside in the snow. Google “Everest bodies” - ice mummies look more like the corpses inside the escape pod than someone who could pass for “not a Dalek husk”.
Since the 6th Doctor story “Revelation Of The Daleks”, back in 1985, when Davros was converting humans into Daleks. And again in the 9th Doctor Story “The Parting Of The Ways”, where the Emperor rebuilt his army out of humans. And of course, in “Evolution Of The Daleks”.
In general, neither party has ever been thrilled with the results.
That wasn’t a “twist”, that was a conversation, and wrapped up in about 5 seconds flat. And it’s not the first time the Doctor hasn’t realised someone was talking about him. It’s almost a running gag.
Which is probably why they introduced the whole plotline of another human character that needed rescuing. (And they even gave it a twist.)
He can encounter Daleks from all of time and space, throughout the entire universe, and it’s a “plot hole” when he’s got a second nickname from them? Hell, I’ve got 4 just from my sister, and I’ve only known her 35 years.
(It’s actually a 3rd nickname. The Daleks have also been known to call him “Destroyer of Worlds”.)
The Daleks brought it. Maybe they thought he’d need it - they did after all bring some companions for him as well - or maybe they wanted it for themselves.
Since now. They’re different every time we meet them, and quite right, too. All of time and space.
I did think it was odd that they were using a concept that seemed so democratic, but why not? It actually makes sense. They probably think that every Dalek is equally awesome. At least these ones do - they don’t want any Dalek killed, which we’ve never seen before. In fact the last time we saw them, in Victory Of The Daleks, the new multicoloured Daleks destroyed every one of the gold Daleks without so much as a by-your-leave.
But that’s Daleks for you. Always changing their little mutant minds.