Doctor Who - Series Six - Part II

Craig: The Cybermen… they blew up. I blew them up with love!

Doctor: No, that’s impossible and also grossly sentimental and over simplistic. You destroyed them because of the deeply ingrained hereditary human trait to protect one’s own genes which in turn triggered a… uh… Yeah… Love.

Handmade Adipose…so cute!!!

Wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey?

Did you notice how young River looked when the eye patch lady grabbed her? Amazing what lighting and makeup can do.

I’m not getting my hopes up for very many answers in next weeks show. Maybe we’ll finally get a resolution to the astronaut in the lake. I don’t think Melody’s childhood will ever be explained. What the silence did to her. How she left NY and got to Leadworth with Amy & Rory.

I’m still puzzled by the purpose of this story. Even if the Doctor fakes his death or uses the ganger doctor, the Silence and their allies will quickly figure out that he survived. There’s no way the Doctor can travel next season without getting into trouble and calling attention to himself.

I hope this won’t be an alternate time line gimmick. This Doctor dies and a new time line takes over. A Doctor that never met Amy. Huge, ugly reset and who knows what events never happened. I hate the reset button. :wink:

Using that logic, I could say anything! Timey-wimey is an amusing get out clause, not a theory.

I’m not seeing your future incarnation theory for River, though. The theory has to be based on something other than “timey wimey” otherwise we might as all start saying “The Doctor is a Cyberman!” :smiley:

There’s something up with the new green coat - the green coat that he starts wearing a bit before he leaves Amy and Rory. Then he presumably travels around for 200 years and, at last, visits Craig - still wearing the same coat. That is one tough piece of clothing.
Maybe he has several of them, but I don’t take anything for granted with this show.
Also, he doesn’t have it on when he’s killed. He’s wearing the brown one.

I’m going with alternate timelines, but that seems so cliche at this point.

Cool. In July I got my wife a remote control Dalek for her birthday so she could try to chase our cats with it. Sadly, it doesn’t bother them that much.

In “The Two Doctors” They crossed time streams purely by coincidence, with no outside force making it happen.

Also, as for the eye patch that Kovarian and later River wears, I saw a speculation that

It helps people remember the Silence even when they aren’t looking at them.

Yeah, in the preview for next week she’s clearly able to see and remember them while River is not.

Far Future River/Kovarian is packing a TARDIS (the TARDIS?) and has it wired up as a paradox machine to allow her to pull this off?

Yes, we did. How long was the camera on her? How long does it take for River’s regeneration to start firing up?

Has the modern Who ever had one? Closest I can think is the end of Season 3.

I’ve thought that from the first time we saw her in the room with the Silence. How else could she work with them? Hell, seems she gives the orders.

-Joe

Possible spoiler alert - here’s a link with promo photos.

Everyone in eyepatches!

Churchill is back. :wink: Wow, it looks like the Doctor is doing more than just going to the lake.

Just an odd little question - I happened to watch the episode online, on a site that divided it up into three segments. The first segment didn’t have an opening credits sequence (the time vortex - “Matt Smith” “Karen Gillian” “Arthur Darvil” - “DOCTOR WHO”). I just assumed that somehow the first minute or so was snipped off in the upload.

Before I finished watching it, I got distracted, had to go out, and later watched the rest of the ep. But this time I just watched it on youtube. I noticed that the youtube vid also left out the opening sequence. Did this episode broadcast without one?

The version I saw (on BBC America) had the modified opening sequence with the Amy voiceover.

To pull in a catphrase from Star Wars, “I got a bad feeling about this.” Moffat does seem to have painted himself into a corner. Can this one episode really answer all the pending questions (*) and satisfy the fans? There’s a lot riding on it as it will be the last episode for about 12 months. :frowning:

(*) Pending questions: (pulled from another message board)

  1. What is the question that the Silence refer to?
  2. What was the Doctor’s faith?
  3. What was his fear?
  4. What made the Tardis explode in the finale of series 5?
  5. What did the Doctor whisper in River’s ear in Let’s Kill Hitler?
  6. What exactly is River in prison for? Murdering the Doctor the first time in LKH or this second, coming time? Or something else completely unrelated?
  7. Who the heck is Jim the Fish?
  8. Why did the Silence put little kid River into the space suit in the second episode?
  9. When were those pictures of Amy and baby River taken, since melody was taken from her immediately after birth?
  10. What is the Doctor’s name?
  11. What’s wrong with Fez’s?
  12. Is the Sonic screwdriver Amy made, the same one the Doctor gives to River in the future?
  13. What is the only reason the Doctor would ever tell someone his name?
  14. Why did Rory speak in past tense at that prison/hotel when he said, “After having traveled with you, there wasn’t anything left to be afraid of.” or something to that effect?
  15. Why would the Doctor invite a previous version of himself to watch him die?

Yes, and for the first time, I got annoyed by it, since Amy wasn’t ‘running with the Doctor’ anymore, so it really wouldn’t have helped answer questions for anybody who happened to tune in to “Closing Time” as their first Doctor Who episode.

Regarding the eyepatch - is it possible that there’s just a picture of one of the Silence on the inside of it? :smiley: It’s a low-tech approach to the problem, but should work, as long as you don’t close that eye. Hmm…

1. What is the question that the Silence refer to? - That should be answered in the next episode.
2. What was the Doctor’s faith?
3. What was his fear? - These may or may not be answered. I don’t think they’re vital to this story arc.
4. What made the Tardis explode in the finale of series 5?
5. What did the Doctor whisper in River’s ear in Let’s Kill Hitler?
6. What exactly is River in prison for? Murdering the Doctor the first time in LKH or this second, coming time? Or something else completely unrelated?
7. Who the heck is Jim the Fish?
8. Why did the Silence put little kid River into the space suit in the second episode?
9. When were those pictures of Amy and baby River taken, since melody was taken from her immediately after birth? - We’ll probably find out the answer to all these questions next episode.
10. What is the Doctor’s name? - We’ll never know. There’s no good reason to tell us. It’s supposed to me a mystery.
11. What’s wrong with Fez’s? Fez’s? Fez hat? What are you talking about?
12. Is the Sonic screwdriver Amy made, the same one the Doctor gives to River in the future? - Doubt it. That time-line has been erased.
13. What is the only reason the Doctor would ever tell someone his name? - Possibly if he got married
14. Why did Rory speak in past tense at that prison/hotel when he said, “After having traveled with you, there wasn’t anything left to be afraid of.” or something to that effect? - He meant up to that point. I doubt he was being fortuitous.
15. Why would the Doctor invite a previous version of himself to watch him die? - Well, actually, the younger doctor shows up after the older Doctor’s death. Just the way the older Doctor planed it. Now of course for why he planned it that way… I hope the writers know what they’re doing.

Fezzes are cool. :smiley:

Not sure if this is spoiler-ish, but to be safe…[spoiler]I saw the cast list on IMDB for “The Wedding of River Song”, and these two characters were included.

Malohkeh - Silurian doctor who appeared in Series 5 The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood. He was shot and killed though.

Fenric - Might be a totally new original character, but according to Tardis Wikia, Fenric aka Hastur the Unspeakable aka Aboo-Fenran, appeared in Season 26 of DW as an enemy of the Seventh Doctor.[/spoiler]

I’m curious if this will impact the current story arc in any significant way. Thoughts?

Oh right, I remember now. :smack: