I can answer some of those.1. Answered in “The Wedding of River Song,” final line.
2. He has none?
3. Answered in “The God Complex,” I think. Amelia Pond waiting for him.
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6. Lake Silencio, apparently, as of “The Wedding of River Song.”
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10. Something with an S, probably, according to my memories of old Who.
11. What? Fezzes are cool!
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15. Answered in “The Wedding of River Song.” The Silence need to believe he is dead. He TARDISed out of the fake body they burned.
Yes, because they are the new archenemy, instead of the Daleks, Cybermen, or some variation on Time Lords. Finally.
And he’s a time traveler who ages particularly slowly, so in his subjective near term, they’ll just think it’s him from before they killed him. He pretended that he had aged 200 years between “The God Complex” and “The Wedding of River Song.” He could be having adventures in that 200 years as far as they know. Now, they time travel too, and they may find that he’s still a risk, but they may not be so quick to mess with the young guy they think they have already killed, so it buys him some subjective time.
Yes - except I’m not sure I’d use ‘escape’ for when she calls the President. Presumably it’s when nobody with the Silence is around just at the moment, but she certainly hasn’t escaped the suit at that point, because that’s what lets her call the President.
I get the feeling that she only gains these memories at a point in her own personal timeline after the Doctor dropped her and Rory off in “The God Complex”, though I’m not sure exactly how that would work.
So did the doctor tell River his real name or not? In the Silence in the Library Doctor 11 tells Donna that River told him his real name.
I still don’t get it. So –
Time will end if The Doctor doesn’t die at the lake, because The Silence managed to arrange to make that a Fixed Point. OK, on board so far.
So why does “hide inside a robot so it looks like he died” work to “fool” time and the fixed point? Surely the point was that he had to die, not that it had to look like he was dying? If it’s that easy (“Oh, well, I’ll just fool time and make it look like I died - time’s pretty dumb, it’ll fall for it!”) then it was a pretty easy situation to get out of.
Plus Moffat said specifically that The Doctor died in that scene, as did Canton Evereret III. Those weren’t clever plays on words or tricks - doesn’t that just mean both the writer and the character lied?
Nah. Still not getting it.
Huh? Who says?
I kind of buy the bit about the fixed point - what really makes time degenerate is changing the way people remember events, not changing the underlying reality of the events. If Amy and River and Rory remember him surviving at Silencio lake, then that changes an awful lot, especially because they met the Doctor earlier in his timeline right after, and went back to 1969 where they met Canton, and Amy as the girl in the spacesuit, and so on. You get such a cascade of changes in the time-space continuum that it destabilizes. However, if all the witnesses see it happening exactly as it’s supposed to, then it becomes a quantum indeterminate event just what the original fixed point was. ![]()
Canton wasn’t lying, because he’s not in on the truth. Moffat might be telling the truth in a certain sense - if he believes that the Doctor died originally, and then was able to squeeze through the fixed point to save his own life. Or maybe there’s a rule number two of Doctor Who…
Rule number two: Moffat lies. ![]()
Yes, but at the end of that episode, we see Melody Pond giving off regeneration effects, and that’s a bit harder to explain. It really does seem like a *doc ex machina *.
Now, if the baby is a muppet dinosaur baby that calls the Doctor the Doctor and everyone else “not the Doctor” I’m in baby. He could even have his own little adventures by himself in the bowels of the Tardis.
Meh. Very, VERY glad this series is over. Hopefully next year Moffatt can sort it out and get us some decent Who again.
And please, no more sodding River Song.
And a creepy one too. And not lame like the stupid Cybermen. Never did like them. Unless they trapped you in a closet I don’t see how they’re much of a threat.
Maybe, maybe not. I think he implied pretty heavily that he’d been zooming around trying to avoid his fate for some time. The only question is if he used up his 200 years.
Either way, the Silence have no way of know if what The Doctor did and is doing is new or old.
Well, I think the most important part is that Amy and Rory (and maybe Oldest River) had to see him die to ‘fool’ time because they are extremely special. They have catalogs in their heads of reality after reality that hasn’t happened anymore. I think there’s quite a bit of power inside of their heads because of what they’ve been through.
Disagree. I thought it’s all been exceptionally well done. Though I’d still like to know why the TARDIS went blooie - unless she did it to give The Doctor a chance to save the universe after it all went bad.
Agree on that one. She’s become far too much of a overly-recurring character. Keep the show about The Doctor and his companions. If she’s a companion, fine, but if she’s just going to keep popping up out of nowhere whenever she feels like it, that I don’t like.
-Joe
I liked it. I certainly liked it better than the RTD series endings. It wasn’t as complicated as I was hoping.
I think the can just let River be for the next while- they’ve answered her mystery, she is the Doctor’s wife and she kills him, and the rest of her/their lives will have her popping in and out sporadically, but they don’t have to focus on her anymore.
The carnivourous skulls were ridiculous…
Probably wouldn’t have been so bad if the FX hadn’t been so bad. When the guy fell into the pit my wife commented, “That’s the worst special effect I’ve ever seen on this show”.
The worst part is it was a bad effect AND that it was an unnecessary effect.
-Joe
My wife and I really hope the River Song era is over. PLEASE!?!??
I don’t care for what Moffat did to her character as recapped here:
She’ll have to come back at some point, since the Doctor hasn’t told her his name…
- Yes, Moffat and Everet apparently did lie.
- It looks like the Tesselecta getting shot is a fixed point in time. As long as River shoots that, everything is fine. The Doctor saying he’s the one who has to die is a lie, to fool everybody into thinking that when it’s all over, he’ll really be dead.
I’m probably in the Minority. But, I want to see River travel with the Doctor and fall in love.
We’d need a younger River that isn’t in love at first. The Doctor knows their potential future and takes her traveling. Not as a companion. But, as a future love.
Younger River/Melody was impulsive and a bit dangerous. She still has the training from the Silence. The Doctor will need to gradually convince her to give up violence as a first choice for problems.
Take it slow. Maybe after a couple seasons things heat up and there’s a real romance on the Tardis.
Since this has never happened with any of the companions. It would be something new and unique for Doctor Who.
I kind of want River on as a regular as well, but…we’ll see.
Really, really liked the finale. Not perfect, but it hit the notes I wanted.
Shocked at the complaints about the cheesy skull SFX – I thought it was great. There’s something about bad VFX that makes me love it all the more.
The first act adventure story was fantastic. The mashed time intro was goofy fun at its best. Doesn’t really hold up to close scrutiny, but why would you scrutinize it closely?
The revelations about the Silence were great. “Doctor Who?” was a fantastic touch.
I think it did a good job of addressing the whole “Amy is River’s mom; why isn’t she more upset?” thing in a very sidelong way. Given that she was never aware of being pregnant, wasn’t necessarily choosing to be a mother, knows her child is safe / magnificant, still gets to talk to River, has seen a whole lot of crazy in her life, and still has a ful life to lead with Rory, I think her reaction is…acceptible.
I liked it overall, even though most of the resolutions ended up being not all that surprising – though even that seemed played with a wink.
But what I really like about this ending is the opportunity to jettison a bit of accumulated baggage, have a bit of a fresh start – the Doctor had become too big, too high profile; his ‘death’ allows him to return to a little more unencumbered adventuring, rather than always being at the center of everything.