Does anyone believe Bush wont get re-elected?

No, the first pollster to know the election results accurately were Carter’s internal white house pollsters.

Jimmy Carter knew he was going to lose about 48 hours before anyone else.

Bush is more fiscally conservative? :confused:

More conservative than Kerry? Yes.

Kerry will be just as spend happy as Bush, but even more ready to raise taxes and then spend even more.

But fiscal conservatism is basically a dead issue to me in this election because I consider both candidates to be in the F for flunked category.

By incompetence I meant I think Kerry will be an abominable leader and so I’m voting for Bush.

Basically on a scale of 1 to 10 I rate Kerry a 3 and Bush around a 4.5 or so.

Both are bad but I feel Kerry is the worst when it comes to leadership.

Out of his mind? Hardly. Please observe:

The only thing I must add to this summation is that Mr Bush will win, handily, because his party holds the Mint of open war; in this coinage will be his fundamental victory. From the shambles of a library in the Appalachian hollows to the neoteric splendor of a Marin County middle school, the Right will stuff the Polls to the rafters for little more than a crude pittance.

I don’t understand. How can we be at a level of open war if the mission was accomplished?

IIRC, the current budget deficits are the worst in history.
Why should you expect Kerry to be even worse than the worst?

You must be following some type of Da Vinci Code. Sadly, while I applaud your bitter decoction, I have said nothing of the sort.

Depends. They might be the largest in absolute terms, but not as a % of GDP. The former might sound worse, but the latter is what really matters.

I’m not defending defecit spending, just putting thing in persepective.

That mission accomplished thing was just a foul canard, forced upon the president by Tommy Franks:

here

Now that the general has fallen on his sword over the incident, there’s no credible reason to hold president Bush responsible for it. :wink:

The ironicalistic* thing is that the bruhaha over “Mission Accomplished” had pretty much died down until Franks brought it up again.

*as Bush might say

Well firstly because the current budget deficits aren’t the worst in history.

Secondly, a deficit isn’t a bad thing necessarily, it’s big deficits that are bad (which is obviously the case right now, but I thought I’d just point out that there is more to things than surplus = good and deficit = bad.)

Thirdly, I think everyone realizes that after 9/11 we had to pursue certain security measures and change aspects of our foreign policy. A lot of people disagree on the foreign policy decisions of the Bush administration. But the fact remains in times of national crisis we as a people have to accept that there is going to be increased spending, and often this will be deficit spending.

No problem there. So I’m a LITTLE lenient on Bush’s deficit spending, no one could help but going in the red after 9/11.

Fourthly, on top of what I see as essential deficit spending, Bush has spent a lot of money in ways that I find stupid and porkish. This is where Bush ultimately gets the F, even discounting his security spending (which I feel I should considering the circumstances) he’s failed in most of the fiscal conservative promises he made prior to his election.

Fifthly, Kerry advocates a lot of socialization and a lot of new programs that won’t be funded any way other than big taxes or big deficits. And considering the nature of the House, a lot of Bush’s spending isn’t going to be reversed for awhile. So Kerry will be spending on TOP of the Bush deficit so ultimately he will be much more fiscally liberal.

It occurs to me that this is an argument against Australian-style compulsory voting. If people have to show up at the polls, they’re likely to take the path of least resistance (voting for whichever major candidate is less objectionable, no matter how slightly)*, and I just don’t think that the system needs yet another built-in reward for being the lesser of two evils.

*Yes, I know that the Australians have the option of casting a void ballot, but I’m talking about what most people will actually do if required to make a choice.