Does anyone else approach travelling primarily from a "stomach space budget" perspective?

In the thread Vacation in a hotel with a kitchenette - do you pack food to cook?, I’m starting to realize my fundamental approach to travelling seems to differ drastically from a lot of the other people chiming in in the thread and it’s helping me articulate some “this is water” style fundamental assumptions I make when travelling.

At the core of it is the underlying assumption that “stomach space” is the hardest constraint to butt up against and thus, should be the first thing to take into consideration and everything else can be fit around that. You take the number of days you’re travelling and your average calorie consumption per day and then you have a little room to wiggle around your budget but eating lighter the few days before and after your trip and gaining a little bit of weight on the trip but you’re up against a pretty hard line that you need to budget everything inside of.

I always start my trip planning by researching what are the local specialties to try, any restaurants that are particularly unique & dishes in those restaurants that sound amazing to get a general sense of what the lay of the land is, and then a very rough idea in my head of the calorie budget I’m playing with and the idea that a calorie allocated towards one purpose necessarily means a forgone calorie somewhere else.

At the same time, it’s not pure gustatory pleasure that I’m optimizing for and I have very low regard for travellers who seem to be checking items off a list of some “best X” thing they found on the Internet and the social context of the food is the far more important constraint I’m optimizing for. I’m there to spend my calories in a way that leads me to bond tighter with my friends, provoke new experiences and lead me into serendipity.

One memorable recent example of “calories well spent” was on a trip to Mexico City, I was feeling like I wanted just a little something after a dinner so I wandered down to a local ice cream place and they mentioned they were having a 2 for 1 special that day so I spontaneously turned to the couple behind me and asked if I could cover their kid’s ice cream and then we sat down and had a lovely chat about how they were LA natives who moved to Mexico City a few years ago and how this was their favorite ice cream parlor and how living in Mexico City has been for them.

I’m very much a believer in improvisational travel and how no plan survives contact with the enemy and how the purpose of planning is to make it easier to go with the flow and there’s generally rarely a specific thing I need to eat or a place I have to eat at but more of a sense that every calorie has to be earned because it’s fighting against all the other delicious things that could have filled that spot and evaluating each thing I consume in a kind of “wins above replacement” style optimization. The idea of voluntarily eating something while travelling for pure sustenance reasons is a totally alien concept to me.

Once you’ve planned out how your trip goes, calorie wise, then you do the process of fitting everything else you want to get done around it as those things tend to be much more loosey goosey in terms of how you can arrange them.

I guess enough of my friends also think similar enough as me that I’m familiar with what it’s like on our side of the fence. I’m much more interested in hearing from, for the people that are the total opposite of this, what’s your reaction to this kind of travel? How different is it from the way you travel? Are there any questions or things about this way of travelling that baffle you? I’m just articulating a lot of these ideas for the very first time and kind of exploring what they mean and how there’s a whole universe of people who this is not their fundamental world view.

I love eating while traveling. But I leave a lot more to chance than you seem to.

Our vacations are typically spent hiking, skiing, biking, or some other physical activity. Calorie budgets aren’t really a concern.

Are you trying to lose weight, or at least not put any on?

My approach to travelling is ‘money-driven’.
I calculate the costs of:

  • travelling
  • insurance
  • accomodation
  • eating
  • entertainment
  • presents

and add an amount for unexpected expenses / spontaneous ideas.

Wow, different people are different. I have never even heard of, let alone implemented, the idea of planning a trip around calorie intake. I don’t think I’ve ever planned a trip for which I gave even a moment’s consideration to what I would eat on the trip. My vacations are based around specific activities such as music festivals, snorkeling, and hiking. Finding the activities is the first step. Second step is figuring out accommodations. Third and pretty much final step is arranging travel. I’ll decide what to eat when I arrive, and it’s a totally unimportant part of the trip. Might be a highly recommended local restaurant, might be fast food. The only purpose of eating on a trip is to keep me alive while I do the things I’m there for.

I practice intuitive eating and generally find my weight stable around a certain fixed point across years. It’s more a matter of the physical limits of the human body.

I think one way to convey it is the Simpsons clip of Homer eating his way through New Orleans:

He’s a fictional character who gets to magically eat what looks to me to be about 300,000 calories worth of food and dammit if I would do the exact same if I had his ability not to be in the actual world. That’s about the way I view any place I go to visit, there’s an amazing assortment of culinary delights that is 10 - 100x what my body can physically handle so it’s the primary budget I’m concerned about. Every calorie spent on one thing is one I can’t spend on something else.

I like to think I leave it up to chance a lot more than you think I do. I think a big part of the fun of travelling is the gamble. You sometime just have to ride the odds and leave chance to land the dice where they lay and some of the losing bets in the gamble are as memorable as the wins.

But I think the important thing for me is that I fundamentally view it as a gamble and that this is the foremost “currency” I think about as spending when I’m travelling.

I typically am calorie conscious on trips, but not to an extreme degree. Part of it is the normal thoughtfulness about calorie intake, but another part is not wanting to feel super full. For instance, if I have a super big breakfast, then I won’t want lunch as much. But if I only eat a moderate amount at breakfast, then I’ll be hungry for lunch and enjoy the meal more. If I’m really full, then I don’t have the same desire or motivation to explore food options.

To be clear also, there are quite a lot of things I regard when travelling as more important than the food I’m eating. It’s more that I feel the limit on the amount of food I can consume is far more restrictive than all the other variables so it’s the one I try to optimize for first.

I had a trip to South Korea with my parents & brother where I felt like we ate pretty poorly because we were slotting in meals between a bunch of other sights and that was fine and the way we planned the trip and I went into it knowing that was the choice we were making.

I think that’s slightly different from what I’m trying to get at. For example, unless the place I’m at tends to have a pretty unique breakfast, I’ll typically skip or go super light on breakfast because I’m thinking “Why am I eating something I’ve eaten 1000 times before when I could replace it instead with something far more unique to the place that they more typically serve for lunch or dinner?”

I’m much more worried about bladder space budgeting.

I can get behind this sentiment. You want to experience the places you visit, and part of that experience is making sure every meal is worthwhile, locally significant, adds to your memories and doesn’t make you too stuffed to do other fun things.

For me, this is true whether I’m visiting, say, Buenos Aires or Pittsburgh. Eating out 2 or 3 meals a day is part of my budget.

Traveling with kids, though, is a factor. There are a lot of trips where we’ve had no choice but to have sandwiches in the hotel room. I also take vacations that are more event driven than experience driven. That is, we may buy tickets to a show in Chicago as it’s the closest venue. While we may spend a few extra days there to justify the drive, we’re generally already spending a ton of money just to be there and can’t justify making every calorie count.

Likewise, some travel just doesn’t put you in close contact with a foodie experience. E.g., we went to Yellowstone a few years ago. To get the most access you stay in the park and wake up before the animals do. There’s limited ways to incorporate local flavor into your eating, so lots of meals ended up being eaten in the car or on trails.

Tl:dr; it sounds like the type of travel you do is particularly conducive to being structured around meals, but everyone’s M may V.

I tend to travel for a few different reasons:

Travel for an activity like fly fishing: schedule is built around the activity, everything is in support of the activity.

Travel to chill: lots of staring at the beach, mountain, skyline while sipping something. Leisurely meals, a lot of sleeping in.

Travel to travel: I’m there to get to know a place, including the food. I might do some research, but I’m also going to rely on just vibes. One time, my wife and I stepped out of our hotel with the plan of walking to a nice restaurant we’d researched, but we both immediately smelled the food from a tapas place across from our hotel and ended up hanging out there all night.

My favorite thing to do is wander a city I don’t know until I’m thoroughly lost and very hungry. Then I look for somewhere interesting to eat where I can people watch.

Same for me. When we choose a destination, I consider all options - accommodations, meals, attractions, down time, whatever else come to mind. I’ve never taken a food-centric vacation, nor would that ever occur to me. The closest I’ve ever come was a side trip that involved a wine tasting. And I’ll generally make an effort to avoid chain restaurants that we have in our area. (Side note - my sister is a very picky eater. She spent 2 weeks in Poland eating only at McDonald’s!!)

I live in an area that’s not known for its food, except cheese and chocolate. And I live in a small town, so our restaurant choices are limited.

If I’m in a big international city, I’m going to look not only for restaurants which specialize in the local dishes, but also restaurants for other regions. What we end up eating will depend on our schedule, mood, etc. And we may end up just getting a bunch of appetizers and dessert.

If the weather’s nice, we’ll definitely lean towards a restaurant where we can sit outside, especially if it’s in a pedestrian area.

The restaurant recommendations on Google maps are good enough that I don’t plan too much in advance, unless there’s a restaurant that requires reservations.

My primary planning consideration when traveling is “keep my wife happy.”

That means (1) ensuring we tick off whatever’s highest priority on her bucket list for the destination and (2) make sure there’s enough activities pre-booked or available for spontaneous choice that we’re always doing something and not wasting major parts of any day scrambling for something to do.

If I can satisfy those two criteria, we have a good holiday. Calories are irrelevant.

Having read the description, it still sounds like “just eat whatever you want, anytime you want”.

Reading the OP felt like reading the first post of an alien visiting the planet for the first time. Not only do I not think of travel in terms of calories, it never would have occurred to me.

Food is certainly an important part of travelling for me; I absolutely refuse to be one of those tourists who travel over land and sea, only to demand food familiar to me, then complain that the foreigners don’t know how to make it like they do back at home. I want to be, if anything, a little uncomfortable and off-balance with the food that I try when away from home.

But I don’t plan any sort of calorie budget for it; if anything, I am more likely to break my regular conventions in order to fit in the experiences of local cuisine.

I don’t eat on vacation; I taste. Just putting fuel in my face for energy isn’t something I even think about.