I agree with this: not that we live in a world where everyone is the enemy of the American people, but that people voted for trump because they saw the world in those terms and wanted a guy who was prepared to brawl, and would sound like someone brawling in the gutter when he did so.
It’s funny at the start of Hannity when he lists all the people out to get Trump: it basically encompasses everyone except for trump, some of the people very close to trump, and, implicitly, some of the presenters on FOX.
I think who will prosper most under Trump has very little to do with Trump. I think we are subject to trends beyond the national at this point. Free trade, robotics, advanced AI are all going to impact the world far more than Trump can.
Trump was always sloganeering about putting America first and making America great again; you can figure he was lying, but at least he was lying about that. But if someone asked Hillary Clinton “hey, who’s your top priority: the citizens of this country, or other people?” – well, you tell me: what would she have said in reply?
Kasich was the one Republican that had anything remotely resembling serious numbers I liked. Funny thing is I still would have voted HRC mainly due opening in the Court and Green issues. I liked Kasich better than HRC but for policy reasons would still vote for the Dem.
I did not dislike Rubio, just found him a little empty.
Of all the Republicans that ran though, only Ted Cruz was worse than Rump. That man is even more frightful and seems as evil as Dick Cheney.
So, I’m a moderate/independent. Who are the shining Democratic candidate that will run against Rump in 2020? Are there some good strong Governors out there? Senators generally don’t do well as we all know.
I believe that most of the people who voted for Trump did so because they hate everyone else* so very much* that they wanted to see the world burn, and so voted for someone who they knew would bring ruin to everything. Which is why they still support him despite all the harm he’s causing; causing harm to the world is exactly why they voted for him. The fact that they are being hurt along with everyone else doens’t matter to them, since their hatred is stronger than their sense of self preservation.
The ideal scenario from the viewpoint of a Trump voter is Trump managing to set off a general nuclear war; they’ll cheer as the warheads come in and gloat about how they finally got “those people”, just before they are incinerated with a smile on their face.
I disagree, Der Trihs. They didn’t need to hate everyone, they just needed to hate someone. Even Bricker admitted to filling out a ballot with a Trump vote because, get this, he didn’t like how non-lawyers and people untrained in law argued legal issues on the Straight Dope. He also claims to have thrown it away and gotten a new one, but whatever.
For those trump supporters or enablers who keep claiming that concerns about trump’s behavior is just acting like a chicken little, they don’t remember that little less than a year ago, millions of people went to the ballot box, and voted for the fucking sky to fall.
Will it stay up? Hopefully, maybe, probably? I don’t know. I can just stand here and try to hold my side of it up while watching all these other fuckers try to tear it down.
So how did the smart kids comes up with such a bad candidate? Surely they could have found someone better and likable. Even crazy uncle Bernie was way more likable but no!, its was Hillary’s turn.
Come on, I voted for HRC, I campaigned for Obama, I even voted for the useless team of Kerry/Edwards but the Dems have to stop blaming everyone else but themselves. HRC was a shitty, strongly disliked candidate.
Who’s next? Please be someone more like Obama then Hillary. You know a great speaker with a likable personality that comes across well.
I can’t wait to Dump Trump but lets make this easy for once.
The smart kids know being President takes more than being likable. Being likable means promising things you can’t do, and even a history of not even trying to actually do things (e.g. Bernie, since you bring him up). Sometimes the need to be liked actually gets in the way of getting things done.
Yes, but a smart voter also knows the candidate need to sway the middle and the under-educated.
So is anyone going to tell me who are the candidates for 2020 that will unseat Rump?
We need a smart and at least somewhat charismatic candidate. **Who will it be? **Because I can’t take another 4 years of Rump and I am fearful the Dems will find another terrible candidate.
Tell us how that is done, please. Here’s a hint: A leader appeals to our higher instincts and educates the undereducated. S/he doesn’t try first to be “liked”, in an attempt to appeal to the What Exits? of the world, who do not look for anything more or respect it when they see it.
It’s really up to the voters to be smart and principled, not pretend they’re back in high school voting in a popularity contest. Voting for likability gets you President Dubya and his like, and all the ensuing disasters.
You ask who are the candidates who can win? I ask who are the voters willing to vote smart. I don’t see enough of them, certainly not in this thread.
First: you somehow keep missing the fact I voted for HRC. Second: You can’t change the voters I am sad to say so you need to plan a strategy to appeal to more of them.
Obama was worthy of Respect. HRC was borderline. Kerry not at all. I still voted for Kerry as he wasn’t Bush the lesser at least.
I feel like in this thread that many of you are claiming anyone who votes for Republican are not decent and at the same time none of you seem to have good candidates. Trump should have lost by a landslide. Defending Hillary as a good candidate is foolish in the face of this.
Now I mostly vote Dem, though I’m not one. The last Republican candidate for President I voted for, for President was Reagan in 1984. I voted off party in 3 election and Dem the rest of the time. I was going to vote Bush the Elder until he caved into the right and added moron Dan Quayle to the ticket. Last time I was even going to vote Repub. I came close in 2000 to voting for McCain but Bush/Cheney vs Gore got Ralph Nader a vote.
**So I ask again, do the Dems have any rising stars that can run against Trump and win most of the middle and not just the left? **
It isn’t about you. I do not miss the fact that you keep pining for Bernie, for no articulated reason other than that you “liked” him.
Sad, but also wrong. It’s never been like this historically.
Are you recommending going deplorable? You don’t beat Republicans by being Republican. You have to be who you should be, or you’re nothing.
It isn’t about getting (A) you to (B) *like *them, dammit. It’s about being smart enough to pick the person who will be the best President.
If you have any better ideas, then now would be a good time to start telling us what they are. Whining that you’re not being presented with candidates that you “like” as well as can win is not helping anyone. The problem is not the candidates, now is it? :dubious:
Being deplorable? Where did you get that from? Paying attention to the rust belt, ex-union voters is not deplorable. I would never suggest appealing to the old Dixiecrats. I wish the Repubs would jettison them and move away from racism and pandering. Pandering to racism is terrible.
**So you’re saying you don’t know how to beat Trump?
**ETA: How do you feel about Dems like Gov. Cuomo of NY? I would think he can run a solid campaign. Personally I fear the party will rally behind Warren who will probably lose to Trump. In fact as much as I like Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) I think they should stay away from Senators and find a solid and somewhat moderate governor.
Well, Cory Booker is a senator, but was previously the mayor of a major city, so has relevant executive experience and hasn’t ruled out running in 2020.
Booker is interesting. Seems like a Dem darling so that is good for the Primary. He did a very good job (and public job) of reducing crime, especially violent crime in Newark. He got some fair coverage for patrolling the city at night T.R. style. He also reduced the cities budget deficit. Obama already broke the “can’t elect a black Democrat President” barrier for him. I wasn’t sure if he had national recognition though. It sounds like he might.