I wouldn’t call it merely an attempt.
What irony do you see? You said that something two individuals wrote is indicative of what all liberals believe. I’m saying that something you wrote is indicative of your views.
I wouldn’t call it merely an attempt.
What irony do you see? You said that something two individuals wrote is indicative of what all liberals believe. I’m saying that something you wrote is indicative of your views.
Meh…I agree with some other posters. Most of my Republican friends don’t like Trump at all.
The trends I see in both my Republican and Democrat friends is that more and more issues are becoming non-negotiable and absolute. For example, I’m committed to a pro-choice agenda, but I’m in the minority because most of my friends have committed themselves to absolute positions at either extreme. There’s no room for discussion and they will not consider voting for someone who does not represent their POV. I’m up for a compromise of some sort, as long as we are moving forward and making progress.
I would not have any friends at all if I required them to agree with me on all political issues.
I say this as someone who voted for HRC and have been voting Dem since 1996.
Many white male Republican voters feel like they’re no longer courted by the Democratic party, vilified by the left just for being male and white, ignored by the Dems if they’re in the rust belt states and etc.
I don’t think this is anywhere enough reason to vote for someone like Trump but I don’t think it makes Republican voters not be decent people. I can get the frustration. I do think there is a serious problem with the core of the Republican movers and shakers now, but their is also a lesser problem with the core of the Democrats.
Lets face facts HRC was not a very good candidate and made many mistakes against an opponent who should have been fairly easy to beat.
I would suggest reading the thread.
Nor would I. Take that discussion to the Pit, if you wish. This thread remains in IMHO. Most people are doing fine having a discussion without personal insults.
But that’s just stupid. The Democratic Party has not ignored white rust belt voters, and if they think that’s true, (and if they think that justifies voting for asshole Trump) then what the hell can we do about it?
Why did the rust belt become the rust belt? It didn’t just happen. What economic policy caused the economic changes in that region?
Globalization was bound to have a nationalistic or populist backlash in advanced economies.
I hear ya! And who would want that, anyway? I enjoy having friends whose opinions differ from mine, it makes for stimulating conversation. A perfect evening is sitting around with some good food and drink, debating and laughing and ribbing each other, knowing it is all good-natured, and everybody leaves still friends, still respecting each other.
That is hard to find nowadays.
Please review how often HRC visited some of the states that we all thought were going to vote for her and then surprise, surprise did not.
The Democratic party needs to do a better job winning back the older union and often ex-union people of the mid-west that used to be sure votes.
Also for the love of the USA, please find a better candidate that most Americans don’t like and distrust on top of that. The Republican did the same but crap, their shitty candidate somehow won.
Perception is largely reality in elections. Change the damn perception of the Democratic party before Trump gets re-elected because he’s up against someone like a John Kerry again who will not play well to the center.
I know it seems stupid, but don’t bang your head against the wall too much trying to dissect why. I have more or less given up on trying to figure out all the “why do they feel that way” angle.
The fact is, they feel that way.
So, what’s the best strategy to help at least some of them, NOT feel that way?
Do you know how many times Hillary visited your state? I sure don’t. Nor do I care. She was on TV every night from some state, saying things that white working class voters should prefer to empty slogans by an unqualified buffoon. Do voters really think “I would have voter for her if only she had campaigned locally a few more times?”
But I don’t think it is the “way they feel.” I think it is what they say, to justify a terrible decision, probably based on deplorable reasons.
If they are all lying and are all closet deplorables how did Obama win two terms?
Apparently yes. It played into the concept that HRC cared about everyone but them.
But I’m not a good example myself as I voted for HRC and no matter who the Dems ran I was not voting for Trump, thing is somehow Sanders seemed to hit the right notes with those same disaffected voters so maybe, just maybe there is something to seriously learn for him? What do you think?
I have more friends than I ever would have expected that voted for Trump. They’re not bad people, most of them were voting against Hillary, so something went terribly wrong with the campaign. How she was perceived worse than Trump still blows my mind but she was.
I agree with this. I just can’t wrap by head around it. Hillary was a problem, sure. But to think she was worse than Trump is incomprehensible. Literally incomprehensible. I’ve given up trying to understand, but–back to the OP–yes, I have a hard time accepting that “decent” people voted for Trump.
I guess a lot of them are stubborn and don’t want to admit they are wrong, so they are in the grasping at straws stage right now.
And has been pointed out, many of these people voted for Obama. Twice. something he did made them feel like they had a dog in that race.
I think there is a sizable chunk of these voters that are redeemable, are not horrible people, and aren’t itching to lynch anybody.
Trump’s magic in a bottle was that he made them feel like they were being heard and seen. The fact that the Trump sideshow all turned out to be smoke and mirrors is what can be used to win them back, but it has to be sincere and they need to feel directly spoken to.
I am holding out hope for some kind of a Great Uniter, out there, somewhere…
The Democrats will need to rein in the identity politics. The problem with identity is that it very, very easily mutates from being “pro-minority” to “anti-majority/white/male,” or, at least, is extremely easily *perceived *as being as such.
And perception often carries as much force and weight as reality itself.
I keep hearing this, but I honestly don’t know where it comes from. Does anyone have an example of the Democratic Party embracing “identify politics” in a way that could possibly be perceived as “anti- majority/white/male?”
The thing that keeps getting overlooked in threads like this is that Trump’s victory isn’t the only thing that happened in last year’s election. The Senate, the House, most state governorships, and the shape of the Supreme Court for the next two or three generations were turned over to the Republicans. Trump got elected for the same reason all that happened: a huge part of the electorate is fed up with the effects of 50 years of liberal activism. Even more would have voted for him sans some of the off-putting things he said (killing terrorists’ families, etc.). Keep focusing on Trump and concluding that everyone who voted for him is some sort of asshole if you want, but all you’re really doing is sticking your head in the sand by ignoring the much bigger problem you have, which is yourselves.
Honestly it seems to have been a combination of Black Lives Matter, courting the Hispanic vote to the Dems and fighting hard for the Women’s vote. Not anti-white as much as White Male did not appear to matter. They ***seemed ***to have ceded the White Male vote to the Repubs.