I’m puzzled why people assume the average Republican loves Trump?
Our primary system failed us miserably. Then we were stuck choosing between a much disliked Hillary and a slightly less disliked Trump.
No one I know is happy we got Trump.
I’m not happy about the right wing Republicans in Congress either. I’ve always favored people who stay in the center of politics. I liked some Democrats and Republicans that positioned themselves that way. They’re getting hard to find.
You will have to remember that this comes from a rather ardent Bernie supporter. My response would be that had the Republican elite followed the example of the Democrat elite and tanked Trump or had the Democrat elite allowed Bernie an equal chance with Clinton ---------- but we can fight about that one for the next 10 years or so.
Because according to the latest Gallup polls Trump has a 79% approval rating among republicans. I don’t care if they all love him or not, they voted for him and continue to support the guy.
Its more the opposite. We on the left are worried about the kinds of people who would vote for a nazi, we aren’t the nazis.
Is Trump Hitler? No, not even close. However Trump is dangerously incompetent, doesn’t respect the constitution or democracy, is totally unqualified to be president, is seriously mentally ill, has no understanding of civics, engages in several acts of secrecy and corruption that shouldn’t be tolerated in a free and wealthy society, is hostile to several tenets of liberal democracy (independent judiciary, rule of law, independent congress, free press, etc) and has multiple allegations of serious crimes that need to be investigated by legitimate law enforcement agencies.
Those of us who are worried because we live in a country where 63 million people would vote for someone like that is a serious issue. You can’t make this go away by comparing us to Nazis. We are the ones afraid of Nazis and the kinds of people who would vote for one.
How did the democratic elite crush Bernie? A few emails saying they preferred Hillary is all I’ve seen. Had Bernie won more votes, he would’ve won the primary. He didn’t. Bernie got 13 million votes, Hillary got 17 million. Had Bernie got 18 million votes he would’ve won the primary.
The GOP did try to sink Trump in the sense that people like Romney were encouraging people to vote against him, and towards the end the RNC said they wouldn’t fund him.
Re-elected or not we need to treat this like a vaccine for our democracy and strengthen our institutions.
Stronger rules for who can enter a primary
Make the justice department more independent from the executive
Make it easier for other groups to engage in oversight and investigation when congress is the same party as the executive and refuses to engage in oversight or investigations.
Remove the executive’s ability to fire special counsels
Demand candidates release their tax returns, undergo full medical exams including a full neurological and psychological exam by trained, objective professionals.
Eliminate the executive branch’s ability to engage in first strike nuclear attacks
etc
I disagree. Xenophobia and tribalism are active traits, not passive traits that I see. The anti-black, anti-latino, anti-muslim, anti-gay stuff I see isn’t passive. It may be indirect (couching anti-gay attitudes in religion, expressing anti-black attitudes by being filled with rage when black people protest police brutality) but its there and its active.
They don’t want to put those people in gas chambers or anything, but they do want to make their life more miserable. It has been interesting reading news articles of Trump supporters finally realizing that their health care is on the chopping block too if the ACA is repealed.
I think deep down inside a lot of those people voted hoping the government would take health care away from blacks, latinos and people they consider their moral inferiors (various poor people). They wanted to make life harder and more painful for the ‘others’ but what they don’t understand is that in the eyes of the GOP elite, anyone who isn’t rich is one of the ‘others’. Many of them aren’t passive ‘good people’. Many (not all though, but many) wanted to cause pain for various groups they consider their inferiors, but now are finding out they are going to suffer too.
I never thought leopards would eat **my **face, said woman who voted for leopards eating people’s faces party.
The DNC rigged the primary against Bernie and in favor of Clinton, as admitted by the DNC chair Tom Perez:
And as admitted in the court proceedings for the lawsuit that was brought by DNC contributors:
Add in Debbie Wasserman Schultz feeding debate questions to Clinton, and the media tacitly ignoring Sanders’ packed stadiums while airing complete, unedited, no-commentary added live feeds of Trump’s empty rooms, and it’s amazing that Sanders still managed to get 47% of the primary vote.
The media definitely played a huge role in Trump getting elected. The gave him billions in free air time.
Changing fundraising rules, organizing debates on certain days, etc. Yeah that is biased for Hillary but it still didn’t rig the primary IMO. It slanted it a bit, but again had Bernie won more votes he would have gotten the nomination.
If that stuff is all true it shows a lack of independence from the DNC and it tried to tip the scales but to me rigging is more extreme than that and involves voter suppression or not counting votes properly. Even if those things listed by the DNC hadn’t happened, I don’t think Bernie would’ve overcome his 4 million vote deficit.
I think it’s more that there are studies that point to there being differences in brain structure of liberals and conservatives. The part of the brain that responds to fear tends to be larger and more active in conservatives.
The irrationality of conservative views leads me to want to understand why people hold those views. Obviously, it would eventually lead to a physical trait and I’m glad people are studying this. Not to find a “fix” but to gain understanding of other’s way of thinking and what physical differences in brains give us our world view.
I work with a guy who claims he literally saw a demon in a corner of a room and managed to cast him out. And when he tells this story, I just stare at him. I would absolutely love for something like that to happen to me, but until it does, I just can not understand what goes on in this guy’s head for him to believe that demons exist, he saw a demon in a corner of his niece’s room, and he was able to cast it out(?) by reciting some bible verse. I mean, I would LOVE for this sort of thing to be possible, to exist, it would make the world much more interesting, but in our universe this is batshit insane. And of course he voted for Trump, Not that his demon casting relates to that, but there is something telling about one’s mind that accepts and believes all sorts of craxy shit religously and well, accepts and believes all sorts of craxy shit politically.
I guess my point is, I just don’t get the mentality. I try but I can’t understand it. I came from a conservative family, my parents are in the Trump cult and it just makes it awkward to talk to them knowing that. I’ve never felt like this before. I didn’t care they voted for Bush, McCain and Romney, but voting for Trump and continuing to support his agenda is just a complete enigma to me.
Well yeah, in a sense. Ultimately, It’s physical all the way down, right? You could probably imagine a stroke victim doing a 180’ on their political views due to brain damage.
