It’s common knowledge to anyone who is allergic to milk. Seriously, you’re argument is foolish. People with milk allergies do experience increases in mucus production just like any other allergy. Your pointless glurg that it only affects X number of people is asinine. What are you going to argue about next, that peanut allergies can’t kill people?
that cite has nothing to do with allergies.
Many things that are common knowledge are flatly wrong, as this is.
However, if it’s really as common as you say it is, then there will be mountains of medical journal articles about it. Why don’t you find some and shove them in our faces?
I cited the Mayo Clinic describing the symptoms. If you don’t like it then call them up and argue with them.
“Runny nose” does not necessarily equal “mucus buildup” and the supposed “mucus buildup” that is supposed to be a problem is in the throat.
No, it doesn’t. Symptoms vary by person. I’m allergic to different things and the symptoms are different for each.
God, (most of) you guys are missing the point entirely.
Instead of endlessly debating the semantics of ‘mucus production’ and allergies, why not examine the OP’s question?
Mucus? No, probably not.
But does milk create a kind of coaty-thick-phlegmy-kind-of-feels-like-mucus type stuff in the back of your throat after you drink it? Absolutely. So does sugared soda, or smoothies, or anything of the kind. Milk is, as has been mentioned, full of fats and proteins and sugars and some of these are definitely sticky to some extent.
Sorry. Carry on.
Just out of curiosity, how many people who are “allergic to milk” do you know and how do they know it? Unless you are a pediatrician or an allergist or attend a milk allergy support group the odds are very very few who actually have milk allergy.
Speaking for myself I have taken care of hundreds of people allergic to milk and, no, thick mucous as a manifestation of their milk allergy is not something that they “commonly know”. The common experience is instead exactly as described in the study I quoted. Funny that.
Actually I know quit a few people who were referred to an allergist because of sinus problems and they were allergic to milk. Nothing funny about it.
Why would you think a milk allergy is different from other allergys?
It’s your claim. You’d think you could put more in more effort to finding backing for it than a list that doesn’t mention mucus at all. You need, at a minimum, several journal articles specifically on mucus and milk and milk allergy and the correlation among the three. Google Scholar can find them for you if they exist. There might not be many, since so few adults with milk allergy ever report increased mucus when taking a blind test. It’s only when the testing is allowed to be subjective and psychological that the reports begin. But they are clinically worthless.
What you are reporting is pure anecdotal information. There is a powerful reason that anecdotal information is thrown out by the medical community as soon as a clinical study supersedes it. Now if we can only get common knowledge to rise to this level of knowledge, we’d be somewhere.
Given the actual incidence of true milk allergy your claim of knowing quite a few is hard to swallow. Sorry. OTOH the point of threads like these is that lots of people think they are allergic to milk when they are not. Hell, even that Sears bit acknowledged that much. “People you know” are usually wrong when they report they are allergic to a food.
“SPT” = skin prick testing. Please note: the exceptions in that article was a report of shrimp, egg, or peanut reaction and peanut reaction can indeed be deadly.
I know that milk allergy is different than peanut allergy which is different than tree pollen allergy which is different than metal allergy. Why would you think that all allergies are the same? They are not. They have different portals of entry, different common manifestations, different patterns, different natural histories.
Again, there are a few adults with true milk allergy. Just like there are a few who are allergic to fish or to apples. They exist. And a very very few of them actually primarily have respiratory symptoms associated with the intake of that food. But stating that apples cause mucous to thicken is not a true general statement and neither is it true to say of milk.
There’s a difference between lactose intolerant and allergic to milk. The poster probably knows more of the former.
My nephew is “allergic to milk”… he has been since he was a newborn. Blood in the stool, blood in the spit up and general agita. Those were his symptoms.
I think that this poster is emotionally attached to the “milk/mucus myth” and is is grasping at any straw that might somehow make it appear to be factual.
Yes to all of the above.
I’ve seen a lot of this when it comes to the anti-milk crowd. It has taken on all the aspects of a full-blown Conspiracy Theory. You present facts, they respond with irrelevancies. You ask for confirmation, they give a website. You show them studies, they respond with anecdotes. Try to pin them down they wriggle off the hook by going back to the beginning and restating whatever their original faulty claim was.
They are identical to those who proclaim that Judgment Day is this weekend. They know. They believe. They are sure. Their personal experiences trump all outsiders. On Monday they’ll all be proven wrong. But there is no expiration date on anti-milk nonsense.
I’ve seen this idea used as the basis for the idea “Broadway performers do not eat dairy.”
Every year Broadway has “Broadway on Broadway,” a free outdoor concert where the casts come out and sing one song from each show. It’sd held on a Sunday, which means then they go and do matinee and evening shows.
The backstage food is water, coffee with sugar and milk, and meat and cheese heroes.
I never once said that milk by itself caused mucous to thicken. I specified it was related to allergies. I have steered people with sinus problems to Allergists and many of them were allergic to milk and found relief by altering their diet. you’re being disingenuous in the reality of this.
Any “disingenuousness” on display here is contained in your claim above, albeit there always is the possibility of a placebo effect. Hey PubMed is open to all. If milk allergy really is the cause of “sinus problems” in “many” people, then you should easily be able to find real cites to back that up. The cites however do not exist because the claim is false.
If you’re not going to accept the Mayo Clinic what’s the point. I went from a primary doctor to an Ear Nose and Throat specialist to an allergist in that order. I’m allergic to milk and it thickens the mucus and clogs my sinuses. This isn’t some weird rarely heard of disease, it’s a common problem with people who have allergies.
I have to agree with this. The argument isn’t about allergic reactions to milk (although it became that, apparently) its about the pleghm-ey “feeling” many people get after drinking a liquid like milk. And possibly hocking up a milk (or orange juice) inspired looger that is sticking to the back of your throat (sometimes) after you drink such a thing.
I don’t let my sons drink much milk when they are sick and producing mass quantities of phlegm…instead I make them drink water and “thinner” juices with vitamin c like fortified apple juice in that scenario.
I see the evidence of this “phlegmy” episode when I watch my 9 year old brush his teeth after a bowl of cereal and a glass of orange juice in the morning. Once he brushes the back of his tongue and/or gargles, he always spits out a ropy, thick band of phlegm-infused spit upon rinsing. I do it too.
I realize this is purely anecdotal, and I have no agenda against milk because all of us drink a lot of it because we like it, but I do think there’s something to the OP WRT the “coating” feeling and furthermore, the resultant mucus.
ETA: If it is indeed actual mucus and not a result of the food product lingering in the back of the throat.
Your Mayo Clinic cite mentioned:
Sneezing
Wheezing
Coughing
Shortness of Breath
Itchy Eyes
and
Runny Nose
Is the Mayo Clinic unfamiliar with excess mucus? Are they unfamiliar with clogged sinuses? Or, after describing sneezing, wheezing, coughing, and shortness of breath, did they run out of server space to describe these related symptoms?
I get a runny nose every time I eat something even mildly spicy. I don’t get clogged sinuses or mucus buildup then–quite the opposite, a runny nose often correlates for me with a feeling of clear sinuses. They are not identical symptoms, they’re often conflicting symptoms.
The Mayo Clinic is reliable, but you haven’t remotely cited them to support your claim.
“If the nursing mother drinks cows milk the newborn has more mucus.”