In answering both of your posts. I said what I meant to say, your twisting of words and assumptions, conjectures, opinions have nothing to do with me.
Believe what you will, but leave me out of it.
Faith is something you either have or don’t have. Very simple to understand. You don’t get faith, you choose to have faith or not. No one can prove or disprove the existence of God, no one. So you either believe through faith, or you don’t believe. Then there is the position of “I don’t know.”
I would want to know God’s thoughts, in a New York minute. Einstein used the word God many times in his quotes. I doubt he would have done so while not believing in God. But you are, of course, free to think as you wish.
This thread started on “Does God Love Everyone?” Now it has degenerated into a debate on whether God exists, why?, it should be assumed that God exists for this thread at least. Start another thread if you wish to debate the existence of God which is an impossible debate. I have not read anywhere on this board that it is for atheists only. Not Yet Anyway.
So it sounds like you’re saying, if you don’t have faith, don’t even bother looking for it, you’ll never find it so you can never be one of us. Then why do so many Christians feel they need to proselytize to non believers?
No one had disputed that Einstein used the word god. However, it is clear from the context that he used it to personalize the universe. God does not play dice means that the universe is not fundamentally random. The mind of God means the deepest inner workings of the universe. I suspect that most believers would consider trying to know the mind of God futile at best and blasphemous at worst.
I, who do not believe, use the word God all the time. I don’t know if Einstein believed that god as the universe had some meaning or if he was using the word purely as a metaphor - it seems he wasn’t sure either.
I think we got an answer to the original question: no, unless you have god loving everyone by definition, and all instances of evil done to people are examples of love in a way we can’t understand.
I am saying what I said, nothing more or less. Faith and belief are synonyms. Does one go looking for a belief?
I think if Einstein meant to say the things you relate he did, he would have said them. You are putting yourself in the position of reading the mind of Einstein which I don’t think you can do. As for evil, God does not visit evil on anyone for any reason.
God is love and loves everyone the same, unconditionally.
Yes. If there is something I am curious about, be it god, or the JFK assissination etc., I will look into it and consider all or a good deal of the available evidence. Once I have the examined the issue I will then choose what I believe. Whether it is a belief in the non existence of a god or that Oswald acted alone, hopefully I was diligent enough to find the right answer. And if later on, something new comes to light that shows I was in error, I would then change what I believe to fit the new evidence.
What you are looking for is knowledge, and from knowledge, evidence. You are not looking for a belief.
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For once, lekatt got something right, (not that he has not contributed to the problem, here).
This thread specifically asks a question regarding the Hebrew Scripture/Old Testament description of God in regards to acts of love.
Discussions regarding the existence of (a) God or the number and names of particular humans who have or have not believed in this God are topics for a different thread.
The presumption is that the Scriptures so referenced identify the actions of a particular being/Being in a particular way. Even if such actions are fictional, you will stick to that premise for all future posts.
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In other words you have no proof, except your own thinking.
You see Monavis, there are no other words, I said what I meant. Now if you wish to add other words, then those words have nothing to do with me or what I said. The other words are your words, not mine. That is as simple as I know how to make it.
The next time either of you (or anyone else) continues with that silly hijack, you will be Warned for ignoring Moderator instructions.
Knock it off, now.
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Why don’t you just lock the thread Tom, so much easier.
Can you just answer if god loved Neanderthals first?
Yes, of course, God loved the Neanderthals, God loves all of His creation, there is no numerical order to it. Whatever is created is loved, yes, that includes the birds of the air, the fish in the sea, and the land animals. God is unconditional love. Not to mention the entire universe.
So why did he let them all die? Had they fulfilled his divine purpose?
One way to make the traditional conception of God (in the west) more consistent is to get rid of the assertion that God loves everyone. It’s not consistent with God’s loving a person that God would decree an eternity in Hell for that person.
And there’s plenty of scriptural support for the idea that there are people God doesn’t love.
On the other hand, the traditional conception could also be made more consistent by getting rid of the idea of an eternal Hell. And it turns out there’s more scriptural support than most people know for the idea that the Lake of Fire doesn’t last forever.
The latter is my preferred option, but I think (mostly) reasonable people can insist on the eternity of Hell and swallow the non-all-loving version of God.
Seeing as how we are talking about the God of the Old Testament, I think The Flood pretty much destroys the idea that God loves everyone unconditionally.
I see no reason to cut off discussion simply to get you to stop highjacking the thread. If you have an issue, take it to ATMB. Otherwise post on topic or sit on your hands.
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