Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed | New Scientist This study indicates carrying makes you less safe and more likely to get hurt.
The article listed the flaw in the study: While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn’t.
To start with, the article was not about guns involved in home invasion. It was more a study of urban violence than anything else. You can look at this interactive chart of Philadelphia homicides and get a better picture of what is going on based on race, sex, time of day. It is not specific to gun deaths but the statistics paint a picture of urban crime that is an entire thread by itself. The vast majority of victims are male (89%) and black (79%) for a combined total of black males (72%).
http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunviolence?s=1 And here is a neutral site with gun statistics that are logical and correct.
I know it is possible to think these stats are slanted, but the gun people proffer endless biased stats, so these are as good.
What stats are you referring too? What is your argument in relation to the thread? I don’t understand your point at all.
Oh boy. While we’re at it, let’s go to the SDMB for unbiased reviews of Twilight and Battlefield Earth.
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If this is what you seriously think and you’re not trolling, you have no business entering into these discussions. At all.
Then how come, in the last ten years or so, gun ownership has been increasing, especially concealed carry, yet firearm murders and related deaths are down to around they were in '66?
So the only reason for a society to have guns is for protection from guns?
Who said that where in this thread?
So are you saying we shouldn’t let black men have guns? Seems a bit racist.
And I said this where? :dubious: I was answering a post using data from a specific city. If anyone (based on the statistics) needed a gun for home defense it would be black males.
Buy a dog.
Some of the first pieces of anti gun legislation in this country’s hostory were racially motivated, why should the city of Philadelphia be any different?
Oops, that said victims, my bad.
Hey, now we have an interesting sociological experiment. Florida had a problem with rape, so they set up a program to train women in gun use and self defense. Incidents of rapes declined.
Let’s have a program to encourage young, black, innercity men to carry guns.
I’m actually very curious to know: what do you think the result would be of more young black men with concealed carry permits? Do you think it would mean more violent altercations? Or create the perception that all black men are armed, and not to be fucked with.
You’re hijacking your own thread? snicker
OK, I’ll bite. violence is not a function of gun ownership. Giving a gun to a non-violent person won’t add to the violence. So if you make the assumption that everyone who wants a gun can acquire it then nothing changes.
Conversely, if you outlaw guns and manage to reduce their existence then gun violence goes down and knife violence goes up.
Sure, I enjoy hijacking, but feel it’s impolite to hijack the thread of another man.
If they’re not violent, what are they going to do with the gun? Isn’t the most likely scenario that a violent person will take it, you know, through violence.
…and here’s the flaw that permeates every single one of these threads. I have a small collection of handguns, and yet not one of them has ever been a party to a violent act. The willingness to use them in what may end up being a violent act (self-defense and/or defense of my family) does not imply that the person is violent.
You are not the first to do this, merely the most recent. Correlation does not equal causation, and truthfully, owning a gun does not correlate with violence even in general in that about a third of the people in this country own enough guns for every man, woman and child and yet murders are rare enough that when we hear about one we still take note of it.
I don’t own a gun but if you break into my house while I’m home it is likely that you will be carried out. Self defense is different than general intent to do violent acts. A gun would be easier and safer for me in this respect.
Remember that line in The Sting? When the Redford character says to the Newman character: “Yeah, well, he isn’t as tough as he thinks he is”
And Newman answers “Yeah, but neither are we.”
steel tube coming at you from around the corner in response to the sound of creaking floors gives me the home field advantage. 
You gotta love hardwood floors if for no other reason.