Gee, you must be referring to this guy, Nihad Awad of CAIR. it is clear that the video was cut but here is the important official release:
Take it up with Freedom House. Many countries rated as “free” also persist in having anti-LGBT laws. I’m not saying this to excuse those nations – such as how in the United States allows someone to be fired from their job simply for being homosexual – but the rating of “free” by Freedom House is a general, not perfect, indication of the country’s respect for political and press freedom.
I don’t know. Some dude tried the whole “love thy neighbor” thing and his followers largely ignored him and devoted a couple thousand years to kill each other out of petty differences.
Did you notice that you went from “I’m not hearing anyone talk about Islam’s attitudes towards gays” there, and got to “Sure, a few individual gay Muslims can take to twitter and say “I’m gay and Muslim” but so what?”
Did you notice that you started off asking me where in those links there’s mention of gays of the LGBT community, and then noted several examples of that, and said “so what?”
When you ask for an answer to a question, then find answers immediately to some of those questions and immediately pivot to “so what?”, I don’t really see why you’re even asking those questions in the first place. Especially when you so immediately dismiss responses *you yourself *find. It’s incredible.
Oh, and the last link;
T.M. said Islam needs to join with the LGBT community and your response was to spam your response with links so the rest of us have to go through them all only to find they don’t address the LGBT issue. I don’t feel like jumping through your link hoops. If you’re going to post a link, perhaps you could also quote the part that supports your position.
I seem to be doing all the work here so here goes: LGBT people and Islam - Wikipedia
So, no gay mosques, no gay friendly mosque in France. It’s a prayer room in a Buddhist temple and it was condemned by the Grand Mosque of Paris. According to a link you provided, the guy who started the prayer room now lives in South Africa. I’m a bit tired of doing your work for you. Does this prayer room in a Buddhist temple even still exist? Why is my job to find out? You want me to track the guy down and give him a call?
What’s that got to do with LGBT issues?
Of the cites I, er, cited, three referred to violence not targeted against LGBT groups, so you’re right for those, they don’t address that specific issue.
The other three do.
And, luckily for you, I DID quote the part that supports my position. Have you moved up from not reading cites to not reading posts? There’s a great big quote block at the end of the post you quoted. It contains stuff.
“I seem to be doing all the work here” = “After researching a topic to the extent of finding a story, reading the headline and nothing else including the date of the story, being called on not reading the story and still not reading the story, being called on not reading the story again and not reading the story again and not reading other stories, being called out on not reading stories and complaining that these stories keep being provided, ugh, I don’t want to click through links and have to read things, gosh, fine, I’ll actually look up that one original guy and his story!”
It’s your job because you’ve claimed it as your job - those times you’ve asked questions about the existence of gay mosques in this thread, or how long they’d last. You asked those questions.
Personally speaking, when I have a question, I attempt to find an answer to that question. I wasn’t aware that thinking you might want to answer questions you had was a grand, operatic tragedy, requiring of you great toil. They’re *your *questions. If you don’t want to find answers to them, that’s fine; you don’t have to ask them if you don’t want to.
The relevance is your acceptance of Paris Imams’ views on gay mosques. I’m curious to see if your acceptance of their authority on matters of Islam extends to an acceptance of their authority on matters of Islam.
Whoa, I never said 99.99% of Muslims are anything. Ever heard of a gay mosque? Nope. No one has. Such a thing does not exist. Ever heard of a gay-friendly mosque? A handful exist. Out of how many Mosques in the world, how many are gay-friendly? What percent would that be? I’m guessing pretty close to 99.99% aren’t.
Not really my job to find out.
Progress happens. Great. Never said it doesn’t. There is a gay-tolerant movement within Islam. Great. Never said there wasn’t. How big and influential is it, in Islam? Is it there? Sure. Is it growing? I don’t know. I assume or at least hope it is. In Iran they perform lots of sex-change operations. Does that mean Iran is pro-LGBT? I doubt it. They’re offering sex-changes to change men into women so they aren’t committing homosexual sin anymore. Is this progress? I don’t know. Why don’t you tell me.
Then why did you post the info then? “Hey, here’s a site from some place that may or may not be saying something about what the topic may or may not be. So There!” :dubious::rolleyes:
If you read my post, I quoted another poster who said that no Muslim country was democratic. I then said once again that I was responding to that point. I think I was perfectly clear what I was responding to in each of my posts.
It may not be working very well but there are interfaith organizations around the world that strive to promote tolerance.
For instance:
You probably have interfaith organizations near you.
Wouldn’t you know it… Wikipedia has an article on “LGBT in Islam”
Wouldn’t you know I already posted it. Channeling Revenant Threshold, don’t you ever read my links? 
According to your post, you wanted to “broaden the discussion” which I took to mean looking past the fact that some Muslim countries were democratic. I mean, a simple “Tunisia is democratic” would have sufficed, but you linked to the Freedom House as a way to “broaden the discussion”. What were you broadening it to, if now you say you were just rebutting the “There are no Muslim democracies” statement?
Generally, no, I don’t.
Broaden it from whether the countries in question are democracies – which is a nearly meaningless term that suits roughly 3 out of every 4 governments on this planet – to whether those governments actually embrace democratic principles as judged by a non-partisan and generally respected thinktank.
For example, Azerbaijan might be technically regarded as a democracy because there are periodic elections for the parliament, but it functions as a one-party state in which opponents are repressed and is labeled by Freedom House as “not free.”
And if you look at the Freedom House website for a country like Tunisia, the criticism you have rightly pointed out is literally right there. It judges that Tunisia has good political freedoms (right to vote, etc) and merely middle-of-the-road respect for individual civil rights.
The report says:
I am not “now” saying I was rebutting the “there are no Muslim democracies” statement. That’s literally been my only contribution to this thread. I said exactly what I was doing in my very first post. It’s right there, just read it.
Or what kind of government runs the place, or what culture you’re in…
That down trodden 98% should probably emigrate.
I think I would expect to see it when I see / hear fewer Muslims having intolerant attitudes towards homosexuality and stop expressing ambiguous attitudes toward violence. Yes, I know what I’m saying doesn’t apply to all or even a majority of Muslims, but it doesn’t have to be anywhere close to a majority before it begins to cause problems. I’ve said similar things about American Christianity and their treatment of the abortion debate.
Well if it were up to me I would say that we should treat all monotheistic religions as the superstitious bullshit that they are, but that’s probably a non-starter. Short of that, if we want to respect and value the cultural significance of religion, then I’m fine with that. I don’t seek to demonize any religion or faith, but I don’t think we should be afraid to socially and politically corrosive sets of beliefs, either.
Our government should probably stop the duplicity of claiming to be fighting extremism while simultaneously funding it and looking the other way when “allies” commit atrocities right under our noses, dare us to call them out, and try to bully the UN into whitewashing terrorist black lists.
Yes, we absolutely need to start pressuring Middle Eastern leaders (and elsewhere) not to practice religion that way. But it only means something if we put our money where our mouth is.