Does the stereotype of RPG & Sci Fi fans as smelly & unhygienic have any basis?

Don’t ask how Braianic4 (a well groomed individual) and I (who, I have been told by people who are not my mother, am quite good looking) started dating (ok, running an SF con, not gaming, but…)

Most of the RPGers I know are very social. Gaming is a very social thing - you can’t RPG by yourself. You need to know people. You need to get invites. You need to be liked to get invited again when a new campaign starts up. You need some actual, real-life, social skills - showing up relatively on time once a week. Using the telephone or email to communicate conflicts and changes in schedule. Ordering pizza. Whether showering is a required set depends on the group (most of the groups I know, showering is required). Now, you can be only marginally social and do computer gaming, but if you are tabletop gaming, you will need some social skills.

I know a lot of married gamers. They got dates. They got married. Some of them even have children - meaning they had sex! A few of them even married not horrible looking women…

Can we assume from this analysis that RPGers are not a self-perpetuating species and will one day die out?

“Here lies the geek…the last of his kind. He smelled so bad he couldn’t get a date.”

You’d think so, but catpiss men* don’t seem to be a dying breed. I think they’re a mutation that breeds asexually; they bud off occasionally, like amoebas.

Most gamers I know are about as cleanly as your average joe, except when they’re on a gaming binge.

  • Term from rpg.net to describe the stereotype-reinforcing gamer who showers maybe once a year and only due to meteorological happenstance.

Started? Like at 6pm their Mordencai’s Anti-Stench spell wore off in the middle of the game?

I think it was really the Vampire players that gave people the idea that gamers don’t have to stink. Man, back in the day… They also have the most attractive (and highest number of) women.

I refuse to game 24 hours a day for 3 days, I would have serious health problems…I would end up with fatigue enduced pneumonia when I got home. I set hours - usually 9 am to midnight, with a break at 2 pm/1400 hours for an hour where everybody is out of the room so I can shower and have lunch. People who show up needing a shower are told to go take a shower and then they can join the game, and if people get ripe around lunch break they go and get a shower. If they are not staying officially in a room, and have clothing and a towel with them I would let them use my shower after I was done eating and people were getting back after lunchbreak. Got a few grumbles, but most people were glad enough to self-enforce, and a few even took to bringing clothes and a towel and borrowing my shower [i hate hotel towels and soap and always brought my own towels and shower gel which got stashed in the closet to keep people from using them=)]

As a gamer girl (HI ELENIA!), I’ve smelled the stank. One of our players smells literally like shit. ALL of the time.

I mentioned it to his girlfriend and she said it’s because he never washes his clothes.

He’s clean, but his clothes aren’t.

Why do these people have girlfriends, or at least girlfriends who don’t apparently say, “Wash your fucking clothes or you won’t have a girlfriend?”

And I’ve been in small rooms filled with white-collar workers where it *did *get stinky. Especially if food is involved – not only does the food itself smell, but unless everyone brushes their teeth, there’s some amount of stinky breath. And heaven forbid that anyone has any sort of gastrointestinal reaction.

In any situation that puts large amounts of people in a small space (where the stereotype forms), you’re going to have the elements that add up to stinky: some folks get distracted and forget to shower, there tends to be food (especially junk food) present, and some folks just have behavioral issues around bathing and cleanliness.

These component factors are more likely with gamers/fen (in my experience), and thus you get more stench.

He may be clean just before he puts them on.

Okay, sure, if you are bringing in smelly or spicy food. Otherwise we have different experiences; I have not ever smelled the pungent B.O. off a room full of investment bankers that I have off of gamers.

And I damn sure have not smelled it at the start of the meeting/gaming session as I have with gamers.

This discussion sort of conveniently swung to an assumption that they only start to smell after 2 straight days of gaming or something; far too often they smell at the beginning too.

Hey lady!

And as for the dating thing, I do have a boyfriend, and he smells very nice. And I smell nice, too.

You don’t really meet guys at the gaming things. You meet them first, and later discover they have an interest in gaming…and then you go “Hey! So do I!”

Ah, I see you’ve met Sailor Bubba! :slight_smile:

Like Max the Vool, I would be offended, if it weren’t true. Still, I’ve been to dozens of tournaments for M:tG and I’d have to say the stank factor is as much environmental as social. For instance, storerooms for card shops which have been converted into tournament venues? Stankopolis. Usually very poor air circulation and temperature control. A major tournament was held in my area about six months ago in a run-down Howard Johnson’s. The players were seated in the pool area! Humid conditions, Texas heat, you do the math. The Tournament Organizer was so pissed at the hotel for billing their “conference center” as an acceptable place for a crowd of that size that he refuses to book there again for any event(even though it is close to the airport and major highways). The last major tournament was held in a large city convention center. High ceilings, good ventilation, plenty of bathrooms, nice temperature control, my nose wasn’t offended all day.

Still, it is because of the conditions(going straight without even time for a food break generally) that my playgroup and I take extra precautions before heading to an event. I’m atypical among M:tG players in being older and in posession of a nice home with three bathrooms. I always offer my place up for people who will be traveling to crash at before we head out to a tournament because we can all get showered and cleaned up in a reasonable amount of time the day of the event. Many M:tG players don’t have these sorts of resources at their disposal because they’re begging friends for a ride or sleeping on a sofa/floor the night before or overloading hotel rooms because they don’t have cash for individual rooms. The logistics for a resource-poor gamer are far higher than they are for me and my group. Some of them choose to give up hygiene to ease these logistics. Some of them are undoubtedly slobs. A good number of them are like me and take reasonable steps. None of this helps when the event is in a sauna though.

Enjoy,
Steven

I had a roommate in college who believed that Lysol was a substitute for laundry.

Another gamer girl checking in. I’ve never noticed any smell, although I’ll admit I don’t go to cons. I was a member of my college’s Sci-Fi/Fantasy/RPG club (as was Daerlyn) and no one smells that I can think of.

Lots of guys with long hair, beards, girls wearing sweatpants, yes. But I’m fairly certain we all bathe regularly enough.

Well, hell. She’s “glowing” like a horse, then.

I think this is all part of the dynamic of the way gamers relate. Gamers are the sort of people who were picked on all through our childhood and adolescence for wearing the wrong clothes, for having the wrong haircut, having goofy glasses, not having straight teeth—in short, for deviating from the norm in outwardly obvious ways.

As a result, we do not criticize each other’s appearance or physical characteristics. As a general rule, gamers are much less prone to judging on physical factors than other people, and considerably more tolerant of deviation from the norm. We’re intersted in the person underneath, not clothes and grooming habits. The rule of thumb is, “Judge not lest ye be judged,” and “Let he or she who has never had B.O. cast the first stone.”

If you become very close friends with someone, you might someday work up the determination to point out that they really need to shower more often use some deodorant, despite the fact that you know, from personal experience, that it will be extremely painful and humiliating for them. Or, more likely, you’ll just justify to yourself that, yeah, this person has a rather objectionable reek about them, but they’re nice, funny, a font of information on [obscure but fascinating topic of your choice], a fantastic role-player, and they are willing to do almost anything to help out a friend, so all those positives balance out a negative that is, in the gamers’ list of priorities, petty minor.

I was chatting with a non-gamer girlfriend of a gamer. The couple was new to our area, and she said she was amazed that they’d walked into our college’s games club, and instantly he had a room full of friends. He was immediately welcomed into a board game. (She was offered a seat also, but she politely declined, having another even to attend.) He played games all night, and had an invite to an RPG by the end of the evening.

She didn’t come out and say it plainly, but she was (painfully) aware that her boyfriend’s social skills were perhaps a bit lacking, but she said, “Now he has a bunch of people to hang out with and I,” a rather attractive, stylishly dressed, sweet young woman, "feel like I hardly know anybody. " She said, “I guess it was the same way with his gaming club back home. Gamers are the kindest people I’ve ever met. You don’t exclude anybody.”

I think that’s the nicest thing I’ve ever heard anyone say about me and my friends, and I have never been prouder of my hobby.

Agreed on both points; I was just wanting to point out that stinkyness is a natural consequence of time and sweat, and happens to us white-collar types too. That said…

Agreed again; there are far too many people at the conventions I have been to who have already gone far along the time+sweat=stink continuum before they even arrive.