Dog help

Specifically need help in getting a well matched (to me) dog.

Would like him/her to be bigger than a terrier up to maybe Lab size.Prefer shorter hair to setter types.I’m almost beginning to settle on an Old Yeller type (is that a breed?)

I have a cat that’s been with me for about 10 yrs that thinks she owns me.So a new dog should be easy for her to acclimate to.Guessing this addresses the temperament of the dog.

Any dog mavens/trainers know of a dog that fits this bill,plus doesn’t need to go for walks every couple hours?Also advantage/disadvantage of male/female?I’ve only had male dogs.

I’ve read thru websites and can’t really come up with definitive answers.

PS-what’s the most convenient tool to use for scooping after the dog?

Plastic bags from supermarkets. Put your hand in it like a glove, grab the shit, then turn it inside out & tie it.

Muts are the best dogs.

Go to a local animal shelter and take a look at the puppies. Usually they can give you an estimate of how big they’ll get. 90% of a dog’s personality comes from how it is raised as a puppy, which is why I reccomend against adopting an old dog. (You don’t know how it’s been treated.)

Purebreds, IMO, are the best dogs. I have a purebred Golden which we got from a breeder at six weeks. Here’s what I like about this:

  • We got to see the parents
  • Papers from the owners regarding hip displaysia
  • We got to see the owners, living conditions, how the dogs reacted to the owners, etc… important to see how the dogs were raised and treated, and how the litter is treated.
  • From six weeks on, we were the ones in contact with the dog. There were no unknowns with its behavioral history… no beatings, no bad treatment, no malnourishment, exposure to diseased dogs/animals, etc.

You don’t get any of this from the pound. I think it’s great that people are willing to take dogs from the pound, but personally, having grown up with two such dogs, I’ll never do it as an adult.

Anyway, you mentioned labs… why not look further into this? Retrievers are great dogs in every aspect. Although, if you get a young puppy (of any breed, I think), you’ll have to deal with the frequent bathroom thing. A grown Lab should probably be able to hold it for at least ten hours (my Golden can go 12 hours with no problems). Not sure about the m/f question… I think this is more personal preference than anything else. I’ve always had male dogs, so I don’t know much about females.

Labs are awesome dogs, but they are “puppies” for about two years…by puppy, I mean high energy. They’re generally intelligent and easy to train, but can be willful. Old Yeller was a yellow lab or yellow lab mix, I believe. I’m a big fan of big dogs – despite their size, they are generally rather lazy and so do not require any more room than a smaller dog. We took a pet matching quiz somewhere on the Web (durned if I can recall where) that asked us bunches of questions about our pet preferences (as far as size, hair length, maintenance, good with kids, etc.) and it pointed us directly toward the American Mastiff, a newer cross-breed of an English Mastiff and an Anatolian Shepherd. They’re big and smart and lazy - basically identical to other mastiffs with one very important difference: NO DROOL! I know enormous dogs are not to everyone’s taste, but this is by far the easiest, most loving pup we’ve ever trained, and I would highly recommend the breed and the breeder. YMMV grin

You want purebreds with papers because they are more likely to get genetic diseases in the first place. After all, breeding works by removing the part of genetic diversity that someone thinks is not ‘pure’.

Lure, your biggest problem finding a dog may be your cat. (Not to disparage cats, but many of them don’t take to changes in their routine. Especially after 10 years.) If your cat can adjust to a dog, there are a lot of good dogs to choose from.

The purebred/ mixed breed question comes up quickly. (Did you notice?)

With purebred dogs, you know what the parents are like and you can discuss the breed with the breeder and see what purpose your particular litter was bred for. (Not just what the breed is bred for, what your litter is bred specifically for. Working ability? Personality? Trying to “fix” a trait back into the bloodline?)

With mixed breeds you get “hybrid vigor”, and (usually) fewer genetic problems.

Either choice is as valid as the other.

If you do choose to look into the mixed breeds, humane societies and rescue groups are generally (but not always) more helpful than the “city pound”. The staff gets to spend more time with individual dogs and learn more about their personality traits. There are also some fostering groups and some veterinarians “rescue” dogs on an individual basis. (You might want to talk to your vet and see if they have any dogs “in the back”.)

As far as purebred breeds, like LifeOnWry said, labs are great dogs, but they have a long puppyhood. But there a a bunch a Lab Rescue groups, you might find an older dog that fits your lifestyle.

The setters and retrievers usually make good companions. There were developed to bond with and respond to their people. Of course there’s the usual trade off. They tend to be pretty high energy.

The Brittany is a pretty dog that’s a little smaller than a Lab. Also very smart and obedient.

A rescued Greyhound takes up surprisingly little room and it has less exercise requirements than you’d think. But again it’s a trade-off. Some Greyhounds would look at your cat as a lure, some would look at it as a companion. You’d have to talk to your rescue group about this.

If you like them, the lap-dogs (toys and some non-sporting dogs) were bred to be companion animals with lower need for activity.

This is part of the lack of “definitive answers”. There are so many variables with dogs (or the people who want them) you can’t just pin down a breed with a checklist.

If you have the time and the inclination, you might try showing up at a few dog shows. This will let you see a bunch of different breeds, be able to talk to the breeders, and help you get an idea on what you’re looking for. Just sort of “browse dogs”.

The whole “male/female, whose better?” question is tough too. Again with the variables. But a neutered male and a spayed female are pretty comparable. (Of course this is comparing the same breed to each other, preferable from the same litter.) Intact males tend to roam and might get teritorial (leading to fights). Intact females go into heat one or twice a year (usually twice, but there are a few breeds that only have one heat cycle a year) causing no end of trouble.

The most convenient tool for scooping is, like Violet said, a plastic grocery bag. Easy to carry and easy to get. To “clean up” your yard, a scooper (sorta like giant tongs) works well and you can get thses at most pet stores.

You can’t take too long looking for a dog. Take your time and look at as many as you can and spend lots of time with your prospective dog as you can. It’s worth the wait.
-Rue.

I think the type of dog best for you depends on your living situation. Some things to think about:

  1. climate - some breeds can take heat or colder climates better than others.
  2. inside / outside - hopefully your dog will be treated as a family member and get to choose how much time it prefers to spend inside or out. But, some breeds are “working” breeds and would probably be bored to death in an apartment. For instance… a Border Collie would probably prefer a ranch, farm, or an extremely active outdoor adventure style of life. A Poodle might want to hang out on your Berber carpet and prefer a sidewalk to a grassy trail.
  3. grooming - some coats require professional or at least adequate grooming. I have a Terrier mix that gets his coat buzzed every 5 - 8 weeks. The fee is $60.00 then the tip on top.
  4. Temperament - I believe that 95% of a dog’s behavior is determined by the way it is raised. But, some breeds are more “laid back” and some breeds are more “nervous”. And there is everything in between. It might not even be a breed thing but might be just the individual dog. Some dogs would be better with kids than others. After I adopted my first dog, I was told that when you pick your puppy you should see if the pup will allow you to pet him or her while he / she is on it’s back – tummy up. Tera. (my dog), would not have it. She growled and acted super agitated. I was told that she was basically “dominant” more than “submissive”. She is plenty smart, but is not at all a “pleaser”. One of my other dogs, is very obedient and wants to please. I believe any dog can be trained but some dogs require more patience. Tera is a great dog…now. But she was a “terror” as a puppy. She finally got me trained. Ha.
  5. Where to get the dog - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don’t get your dog from a pet shop. Please please never buy anything from a pet supply store that sells dogs. This is a tragic situation that I will not discuss. Look into it if you are interested. I would encourage you to either adopt from the shelter or from a responsible breeder. Responsible breeders are dog lovers more than business people. They will interview you as much as you interview them. They will want to determine that you are willing and capable of actng as a “steward” so to speak. A responsible breeder will ask you to bring the dog back to them if you are not capable or willing to continue caring for the dog. I think mixed breeds tend to be healthier, but I am not sure of the science. Also, mixed breeds are less likely to be stolen. And yes, people will do that.

Whew… I just went on and on. I encourage you to think about all of this before you pick your dog. Remember, puppies are wonderful but they require patience, attention, love, and training. I wish you the best in your dog hunting. :slight_smile:

Can’t find the link, but when we got ours, we found a pretty good website that asked questions about various things (you want small, big, furry, trainable, quiet, etc… you live where you have how much space…) and spat back a ranking of breeds. At the time I knew nothing about dogs. Now that I do, I can see it made some good choices.

Mutts have one huge strength, they are by definition not as in-bred, and are less susceptible to many diseases and problems because of that. There are plenty of places you can get mutts besides the pound. We got ours (named Muttrox of course! :slight_smile: ) from an animal rescue… we know the parents, and all the other stuff flyboy mentioned.

Thanks for all the info.I’ve googled forever and can’t find a quiz for the breed/type match.

Animal rescue sounds promising,since I’d lke to spare some pooch an untimely end.How do I know/differentiate between that and the pound (ours I think are called animal shelters.)

I live in the desert with long,hot summers,so I’d also like to know the dog isn’t miserable in this climate.I cringe when I see people walking longhaired dogs, they seem so ill suited to 100+heat.

You must be entering the wrong terms. I found these on the first try.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/search.htm

http://selectsmart.com/beta_dog/

(Try dog breed quiz or dog breed selector)

If you’re looking at purebreeds, you might want to consider a Boxer. They handle heat well and have a good temperment. Their biggest downside (that I know of) is their drooling.

I have some experience with both mutts and purebreds. In a pinch, I would pick the purebred because I must be able to gauge temperment by seeing the bitch and the littermates, and the dog if possible. Temperment is my highest priority, because we have two kids.

Look very carefully at your lifestyle and motives for wanting a dog. Do you jog, or are you otherwise active, and want a dog to share that with you? Or will your dog just hang around the house with you? Do you want a companion, a watch dog or a guard dog (there is a big difference!)? What about climate?

Also, how much are you willing to spend on your dog? And not just the purchase price. Different breeds can have very different needs. As the owners of giant breed dogs, we spend a lot of money on food, about $35 for a big bag. I think that comes out to about $1 per pound, which is a lot. Vet bills are also higher, as dogs are dosed with meds according to weight. Grooming is also costlier.

I know this is what everbody says, but for a good, medium-sized all-around dog, you can’t miss with a Labrador. Go for yellow or black if you can, as I have heard that chocolate Labs have some problems due to selective breeding for that color.

As it was said earlier, you can’t take too much time or do too much research. Good luck.
PS- just how attached are you to that cat? :slight_smile:

I’ll heartily endorse that opinion! I can’t overstate that too much. Get your dog from the local humane society or a reputable breeder. I won’t bother detailing why not a pet store since you may not care but if you wish details I’ll be happy to provide them in another post.

As to choosing a dog I strongly encourage you to do your homework on this one…a lot of homework. Too many dogs are bought as impulse buys or just on how they look and all too often it is those dogs that endup back in a shelter facing destruction. The time you put into choosing the right breed for you will pay off big time in the end. I disagree with some of the sentiments around here that the breed only accounts for 10% of what you get and the rest is upbringing. There is a world of difference between a Border Collie and a Borzoi no matter how you bring them up. I believe the breed you choose is of vital importance to your happiness and by extension the dog’s happiness.

I wouldn’t put too much faith in those online questionaires that others have posted. I just did one and was shocked to see the list of breeds that it chose for me. Not one of those on the list would I willingly buy (I’m a big dog fan and about as up on various breeds as one can be without being an expert). I’m not suggesting that there is anything wrong with the given breeds suggested but just that those breeds wouldn’t work for me personally. It seems those guides make some sweeping assumptions lumping dogs into various categories that isn’t always related to real life.

Choosing a Dog that is Right for You:
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[li] First off discard any notions of what looks good and basing your decision upon that. I guarantee if you choose a proper dog for you whatever the dog looks like you will think it is one of the most beautiful things in the world (excepting, perhaps, a Chinese Crested :wink: ).[/li]
[li] Second, minimize the notion of size as an important factor. I’m not saying you shouldn’t consider it but rather you might be surprised at how little size has to do with your ability to deal with the dog. I have a 90 pound Shiloh Shepherd (think German Shepherd and you have 90% of the idea) in a 1,000 sq. ft. condo and she and my family do great. A Border Collie, which is considerably smaller than my dog, would probably go bonkers in that confined space.[/li]
[li] Start off by making a list of the things that are important to you and bear on this decision. This is not a complete list but consider the following:[/li]- Temperament: Straight out friendly isn’t necessarily the trait you want (although you might). Some dogs are cautiously reserved while remaining friendly (ala a German Shepherd making for a good protector for you and your family rather than an overtly friendly dog that would lick an intruder to death). If you want a strong guard dog you may wish for something with a more suspicious disposition.

  • Intelligence
  • Trainability: Different than intelligence…smart doesn’t necessarily mean trainable.
  • Activity Level: Anywhere from a lazy lump to a hyperdog that never stops moving/jumping.
  • Vocal: Some dogs are relatively quiet while others yap incessantly…generally bigger dogs are quieter but that is a very loose rule of thumb. Also realize that hounds have a vocalization unique to the category and tend towards howling more than other breeds as well as being more vocal overall.
  • Good with children: Some breeds tend to be more tolerant than others of kids. Again, loosely speaking, larger breeds tend to be more tolerant than smaller breeds (a kid is less threatening on a relative size scale and less able to cause pain to the dog by pulling tails and what not). Of course, a big dog is also capable of far mroe damage if it decides to haul off on the kid. Certain breeds will be specifically noted for their ability with kids.
  • Working dog or family pet: Do you want the dog to guard stuff, aid in a hunt, pull things or just be an all around pet doing nothing particularly useful (beyond supplying an abundance of love)?
  • Grooming: How much do they shed, how much grooming do they require, etc.
  • Health issues related to the breed: Certain breeds can be prone to certain ailments or disorders.

[li] Once you have your list completed and some relative ranking as to what you consider most important and what you are flexible on go out and buy yourself a book on dog breeds or hit the AKC website for a description of various breeds. It should be relatively easy to cross-off breeds that come nowhere near your criteria. Read the details on ALL the breeds…you never know what gem is waiting for you if you skip something outright. You could probably peruse all the breeds on the AKC web site in an hour or less.[/li]
[li] Once you’ve whittled the big list down to 5 or so breeds hit the web again and search out more detailed info on each of those breeds. There is plenty of info out there so you shouldn’t be wanting for info and may very well be overwhelmed if anything.[/li]
[li] Hopefully your list is now down to 2 or 3 breeds. Go out and visit breeders or people with this type of dog and spend some time with the animals…ideally both puppies as well as adults. Talk to the owners (sorry…‘guardians’ for the PETA nazis out there) and see what they have to say.[/li]
[li] Chances are at this point the choice will make itself. If you’re torn between two or more breeds take a family vote or toss a coin or whatever. You likely can’t go wrong.[/li][/ul]

As to whether to get you dog from a local shelter or breeder depends on a few things:

Shelter:
Pros: Your are saving an animal from potential destruction which is a good thing IMNSHO. This is also by far the cheapest way to go. Not only is the dog really cheap but so is the spaying/neutering (which I believe they insist upon so if you wish to breed the dog this might be an issue).

Cons: You can’t quite be certain of what you are getting and what baggage the dog might already be carrying. Unless you’re an experienced dog owner prepared to cope with a difficult animal stick to the puppies and skip the older dogs. The puppies might still have issues but are a safer bet than the older dogs (note: most dogs out of a shelter endup being great so I wouldn’t worry too much about this). Also, if you have a particular breed in mind, it is a crap shoot as to whether the breed you want is available. If you live in a larger city, however, the chances of your running across the breed you want in several visits are fairly good (excepting rare breeds).

Breeder:
Pros: Here you can get exactly the dog you are looking for. In addition, a breeder will help you select the best puppy for you from a given litter. Not only do breeds differ widely but so do individuals among that breed. Believe it or not (believe it) there are tests that breeders perform on very young pups that are a fair indicator of the adult they are likely to grow into. Certainly upbringing can modify this to some extent but it shows the dog’s tendency clearly. Additionally, you can be certain to get the pup at the ideal time. There is a relatively narrow window that is ideal for a pup to be separated from its mother and littermates and allow it to imprint most deeply on its new family. You also usually get some guarantees from the breeder covering the pup over its first year from disease and genetic disorders. If you wish to show your dog a breeder is the only way to go.

Cons: Not all breeders are created equal. Some are quite unscrupulous and inbreed their dogs running puppy mills. If you thought your homework was done after you decided on a breed you are wrong. Choosing a reputable breeder is a lot of work as well but is VERY important. Get references, talk to previous buyers, read articles, visit the kennel (unannounced), check how often the mother has litters (should be no more than once a year at the low end), follow the bloodline back a ways (to ensure no inbreeding) and anything else you can of. Also realize that a dog from a breeder will be expensive ($300-3,000). The cost depends on the breed, the breeder and the dog’s bloodline. Sometimes breeders will break out their pups into three categories: Show Quality, Breeder Quality, Pet Quality (pet quality being the cheapest). Breeders will usually make this determination within the first week of the puppies birth. Finally, you often have to wait in line for your pup as the chances of one being born at the time you want it is unlikely (some breeders even have waiting lists for their dogs).

Lost of work huh? I hope I haven’t put you off buying a dog but I hope if you do you really will put this effort into it. It may all sound crazy and over the top but realize you are likely to have a 12+ year commitment to this animal that involves a lot of money and effort on your part not to mention emotional investment. Dogs are a lot of work but done right I promise a dog will return what you put into a 1,000 times over and then some. There is potential to have a deep love and compaionship that very few other things in your life will match. It is easily worth all your effort and then some to see it done right.

[sub]NOTE: Once you get your puppy I strongly recommend a basic puppy class for your dog. Even if you intend to do most of the training yourself pay for at least one class. This allows not only basic obedience to be established but socializes your dog with other people, dogs and unfamiliar situations.[/sub]

What about adopting a 2-4 year old dog? Old enough to have mellowed, but young enough to still have a long, healthy life to share. If you are not interested in a high-energy dog or one that needs to go out a lot, this might be a good match.

The dogs that I have known in this category are house-broken, have a little training, and are very loyal. You won’t be able to shape their personality as much as you can with a puppy, but that sometimes makes the bonding much more interesting.

If you decide on a particular pure-bred, there are a lot of bred-specific rescue programs to adopt from. The program that I am familiar with places its dogs in foster homes until they are adopted. This gives you a great chance to speak with the foster owner and learn about personality of the dog.

I should add that if you are unwilling to go through all the work I detailed above then I would recommend getting a Lab. For a no-brainer choice for dogs I think Labs are tops. I have yet to find one that is unfriendly and I’ve met a helluva lot of them. I am now of the opinion that Labs are genetically incapable of being mean. If I ever do run into a mean Lab at this point I think I’ll want to kick its owner’s ass (or whoever was responsible) as they would have had to really work at making a Lab vicious thus making them an SOB worthy of an ass-kicking.

Labs are of a good size (not huge but not small), very even temperament, easily trained, usually fairly smart (although I’ve met a few that were some of the dumbest dogs I’ve ever met) and good with kids.

About the only downside I’ve ever noticed is their prediliction for water. While that’s not a bad thing in and of itself I’ve seen my friends’ labs go for any water they can jump into. Around Chicago that can be pretty scummy requiring a bath when they get home (and this happens often even if you’re paying attention). Still, if that’s the worst that can be said for that breed you can’t go too far wrong owning one (and note that swimming with dogs can be fun too).

I have a Peke-a-poo ( got from the Humane Society) and a chocolate pure bred lab ( got from a breeder) . They are both great dogs. The Lab is quiet ( its the peke that would alert me to a burglar) and gets along GREAT with kids. Cons; sheds like crazy and has a tail like a whip which knocks over everything in his path-- also has some problems with joints and arthritis which is a hazard of the purebreds. The little one is adorable and cuddly, but yaps very loudly at noises and people, gets a little irritated at kids, and runs the show in the house. I see peke-a-poos selling for $300-$400 dollars in the stores and in the paper. They were both VERY easy to housebreak and train.

I have seen my brother’s lab actually JUMP out the car window going 55 MPH down the road. Why, you ask? Because he caught sight of the beach.

Whack-a-Mole knows of what he speaks.

BTW, the dog was fine… once we caught him. He was already in the ocean by the time we got to him.

Whack, a great couple of posts! The only thing I would add to your long post is about breeders. Depending on the breed, many breeders will actually try to talk you OUT of their breed! This is for the dog’s own good, not the buyer’s. Our Newfoundland breeder does that, as well as requiring a lengthy application asking lots of information about lifestyle, previous dog ownership, etc.

Just what is it about Labs? My experience has been similar to Whack’s- never met a mean one. As a group, they are just happy to be here, and hope they can help the ballclub!

I am restraining myself from expounding on Newfoundlands, because they can be overwhelming for some people!

(but they’re the best…)

Here’s a sample breeder questionnaire from my breeder, Bacchanal Kennels-

http://www.dogzonline.com/Bacchanal/newfquestionnaire.htm

And also a Newf checklist, to give you an idea of what to ask yourself when thinking about any big dog (you may need to scroll down past the dogs to get to the text!)-

http://www.dogzonline.com/Bacchanal/newfs.htm#HOW%20TO
PS- Madeira is the mom of three of our dogs! And Port is a daddy!