Thanks John
I wasn’t motivated to type it out and I didn’t think of Chat GPT.
Think of my posts more as a table of contents, the filing doesn’t have one.
Sidney Powell appears as both CC3 and P76 on that list, I suspect P76 is incorrect.
Yeah, this really doesn’t get talked about. Why weren’t all the other losers fighting for their elections? Why didn’t Trump offer to help them in his patriotic quest to restore rightful winners? I guess all those other people didn’t matter. Oh, well.
Because Trump is a Very Special Little Man.
Who doesn’t care about the little people, like senators and house reps.
He barely cares about his kids. Nothing new.
Interesting article here on the pressure campaign Trump himself put on Mike Pence:
They falsely claimed that Pence, in his ministerial role as president of the Senate, could decide on Jan. 6 which slates of electors to select, or send them both back to the states for reconsideration, the prosecutors said.
“They lied to Pence, telling him there was substantial campaign fraud and concealing their orchestration of the plan,” the prosecutor wrote. “And they lied to the public, falsely claiming that Pence had the authority during the certification proceeding to reject electoral votes.”
Members of Trump’s campaign staff called the plan “crazy” and referred derogatorily to those organizing it as characters from the “Star Wars bar.”
Even if Trump skates, I think we need to emphasize points like this. They lied to you. They tricked you into believing something they knew to be untrue. They got you to alienate your friends and family if they refused to get on board with the lies. They tricked you because they knew you were gullible enough to believe it and spineless enough to do what you were told and they were more than okay with letting you go to jail for doing their dirty work.
I’ve always found it funny that the “do your own research” party has no idea how to do that. They live on a steady diet of dog whistles, marching orders from Trump and talking points from Fox News.
But, sure, we’re the sheep.
I think a more productive and direct way to say that, coming from Harris or Walz themselves: “Trump lied to you about the 2020 election, and Trump lied to all Americans. He took advantage of your patriotism and manipulated you to do his bidding - he told you things he knew to be untrue. Many of you have lost everything because of Trump’s lies. He’s still lying, and will continue to lie. Don’t be fooled again!”
“You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.”
According to who? Deranged Jack Smith? Crooked Joe Biden? The weaponized DOJ?
These people aren’t going to believe a word of that filing.
Sadly you are likely to be correct about this.
I would think that Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas are going to have a little tougher time arguing away the list of issues raised by Smith’s filing. The evidence that Trump’s actions were NOT “official duties” is quite overwhelming. No doubt copious mental gymnastics are in store for our intrepid Donald-Defender Justices.
(Many thanks to @rocking_chair for the ‘table of contents’ and to @JohnT for the list of those mentioned under redaction. Very helpful!)
You’re probably right about that, but that doesn’t mean it’s not worth saying over and over and over again. That’s what the other side is doing with all the lies, and it works.
It works because we (humans, that is) tend to uncritically accept things that already line up with our preconceptions. They tend to disbelief things - even true things - that contradict their preconceptions.
Actually, we know that people presented with facts that contradict their beliefs just double down on their beliefs. Great survival strategy for hairless apes wandering savanna. Not so great for modern society.
The fact they knew they were lying should still be repeated and repeated often because it is true and worth reminding people it is true, not out of some misguided notion that true believers will have a “come to Jesus” moment if presented with it often enough.
Yes, I agree. I did not meant to suggest that repeating the truth (about the lying!) would convince a Trump true believer, but rather it is useful to establish what reality is for the great mass of ordinary people who are not true believers, and to prevent those very lies from taking hold.
Also thanks to @Ann_Hedonia for posting the information earlier in the thread (with which I’m still catching up).
I see the right’s new hobby-horse is the claim: ‘revealing this filing now is EXACTLY the same as Comey, eleven days before the 2016 election, revealing his choice to have the FBI investigate Hillary Clinton’s emails.’
Of course that claim of sameness is unsupportable.
For one thing, what Clinton was accused of wasn’t attempting to overthrow the government.
For another thing, the timing of any revelations about the case against Trump was pretty much up to Trump. He’s the one who not only made the claim of immunity, but presumably was pleased when SCOTUS dragged its feet on dealing with his claim.
An innocent Trump could have had this case over and done with months ago, with him (hypothetically) being declared innocent of all charges. But it was his choice to fight and let it linger and linger and linger.
And so SCOTUS’s ruling told the judges involved that they must rule on whether or not certain acts qualify for “presidential immunity.” And the filing was the result.
Comey, by contrast, was apparently chiefly concerned with covering his ass should Clinton be elected President. He was obsessed by the possibility that Clinton’s opponents could accuse him of failing to do everything in his power–including giving old accusations new life–to stop her election.
But the right is now Outraged, I Tell You, OUTRAGED, that people are being reminded of what SCOTUS said should happen to the immunity case against Trump (namely, that the questions of ‘what’s an official act’ must be adjudicated).
A representative example: one of CNN’s resident right-wingers trying (without much success) to gin up indignation on the topic:
Does that also apply in reverse? People who were okay with Comey in 2016 shouldn’t be whining about what’s happening to Trump now.
75% of he respondents to that poll are currently saying “no.”
Smerconish often pisses me off on his attempts to sound “neutral” (and he’s a former republican for sure) but he’s no right winger.
I have that same reaction (annoyance at his constant protestations that he’s neutral). As for whether he can fairly be called a ‘right-winger’—he’d object, certainly. He talks constantly about ‘just calling balls and strikes.’ (There’s no studio audience for his show, so these frequent claims land in silence.)
From my point of view, he’s a disingenuous apologist for right-wing views, who never admits that’s what he’s up to. ‘Right-winger’ is close enough to that for me. YMMV.