DOJ/Jack Smith Investigation into Trump and Election Interference, January 6th Insurrection (Re-Indicted August 27, 2024)

My candidate for CC6 is Susan Wiles.

In June, CNN identified her as the political operative mentioned in the Mar-a-Lago indictment who was in the room in Bedminster when Trump waved the classified document around.

The CNN June article says that she’s been meeting regularly with Smith’s team.

In addition to all the other laws he’s broken, he (his team) has now broken Godwin’s Law:

You could knock me over with a feather …

I almost put her name forward, but she didn’t seem to fit, and I know she’s already part of the other indictment. She was described very differently in that other indictment, as being associated with a Trump PAC, and I would have expected this one to use similar language if it was her.

But she did come to mind.

More cautious drafting, perhaps, when the person is being named as a co-conspirator?

Well, that was an asinine and insulting campaign quote from yesterday. I’m hoping for more asinine, insulting, all caps, deranged and barely comprehensible quotes from Trump himself shortly.

That could be the case, sure. That’s plausible.

And she’s tough on rioters; she also blocked Trump’s executive privilege claim regarding January 6 documents.

I think this is an accurate representation.

Interestingly, Fox News is now pushing the “Pence as savior” notion on their webpage. Surprisingly anti-Trump and pro-Pence.

Okay, I just had a crazy thought. What if people on the right rally behind Pence after this, enough to make him the nominee?

Yes, I know, extremely crazy. But you know how humans love shoving someone off a pedestal.

Thanks for checking. I still expect better from the Globe and Mail but maybe I’m naïve.

I don’t think you are. I am only slightly familiar with the paper, so I looked at info about it, and it seems generally reputable. That’s why I said it was a shameful article.

Even the NYT has a bad story now and then. No paper is perfect.

It would be the most miraculous recovery of reputation I can think of in politics and a truly bizarre vindication of Pence’s consistently non-consistent needle-threading political positioning around Trump and Trumpism. I…don’t think it can happen with a good chunk of the Trump base so convinced he was a traitor. But never say never, I suppose.

So I’ve making a concerted effort to force myself to watch Fox’s coverage of this big story. I just saw a segment where they interviewed a New York attorney (never seen or heard of him before) that gave an astonishingly objective response to the question “what do each of these charges mean and how serious are they?” Apart from using the word “alleged” about ten times more than any other talking head I’ve heard recently, it could have been Neil Katyal that gave the same response. One thing, however, he did say that bothered me was that he thought that given the complexity of the case he thought it “very unlikely it could be brought to trial before the November election.”

Anyone with experience tracking or dealing with federal cases agree with his statement?

That would be like Jesus coming down from the cross, it just doesn’t work that way in Pence’s mind. He must suffer and then be proven correct by history in order to be rewarded atonement for his sins.

But back to the thread, Pence is going to make a most excellant witness since he was there for pretty much everything, in person and taking notes. Think about it, he could have been charged but appears not to be.

If nothing else, it’s complicated by the fact that the defendant was a former head of state. I’ll let Trump’s lawyers come up with theories for how that complicates it but I can imagine more than one.

Granted, the judge has the right to cut through bullshit obstructionism but, in general, the courts have tried to give due respect to the position even if they don’t believe that they should give it to the man. Plausibly, Trump has worn them out on and, likewise, Chutkan can depart from the norm on her own. We’ll have to see.

For me, just Money laundering cases, but yeah, the Federal courts are slow on White collar crime.

Charged with what?

Fomenting insurrection is white collar??!?

The indictment, filed by the special counsel Jack Smith in Federal District Court in Washington, accuses Mr. Trump of three conspiracies: one to defraud the United States; a second to obstruct an official government proceeding, the certification of the Electoral College vote; and a third to deprive people of a civil right, the right to have their votes counted. Mr. Trump was also charged with a fourth count of obstructing or attempting to obstruct an official proceeding.

I do not see “Fomenting insurrection”??

Failure to report a felony?