You said this before and were corrected. If you keep saying it, it will be corrected again. It would be nice if that weren’t necessary.
But Trump would be there, which makes it much harder for the MAGAts to ignore. They may ask why he’s not testifying.
I’m not expecting miracles. But I think at least enough of the right will watch enough of the trial that at least they will hear about the fake electors scheme.
Also, as I say, I’m not just talking about the MAGAts but also the huge number of people who don’t take any interest in politics apart from the key events.
Anyway, I’ll park it there. That’s pretty much all I wanted to say. We can disagree on the impact of televising the trial.
No, a hung jury means that not all the jurors were agreed. The case can be retried.
I think you are all missing chappachula’s point. A hung jury is a victory for Trump. A retrial might be the norm, but I’m skeptical that Smith would retry this one.
"you said this before and were corrected "
Yes I know. But my point was ,and is, that the verdict which counts is not the verdict as defined by law. What counts is the verdict as determined in the court of public opinion.in other words --The court which is measured not by technical legal terms, but by the ballot box.
And as others have said above, for most voters, the phrase “innocent until proven guilty” rings true.
thank you @steronz.
You said it better than my whole post 
Back to topic…
Judge orders Trump team to file a response by 5pm, Monday, to the protective order:
“Corrupt Obama judge is forcing my very patriotic and brave lawyers to work ON THE WEEKEND. Send me money!”
-Trump, probably.
I feel your pain, my friend, oh, yes, I do, sigh.
Meanwhile, I think it would be good to see Trump finally face real, undodgeable consequences for his contempt of the rules than govern normal people. Even house arrest for contempt of court, with no online access allowed, would be something, though nowhere near as much as he deserves.
I think Trump could learn to cope with prison if and only if he gets one of those Pablo Escobar-style jails that he gets to design for himself. Pablo’s included a tunnel to the outside and guards who let him use it as he saw fit.
Assuming the Georgia indictment is coming soon, all Trump has to do is get this same result four times while simultaneously winning the Presidency. I am not a card player but a quick Google tells me his odds of getting four aces are… low.
I’m sure this never occurred to Jack Smith or his team.
I think the chances of a hung jury are not nil, but they are low. Hearing a case tried in the court of public opinion is a far different thing than hearing that case tried in a court of law.
I also want to agree with @Cervaise here:
The Very Premise Of This Case is all the proof you need that Trump has demagogued his way – through endless lies, straw man arguments, appeals to emotion, and incessant ludicrous bullshit – into a permanent and unquestioned position with his shockingly, appallingly, depressingly, and unimaginably credulous base.
It should matter not one bit what “they will think” or what “they will do.”
Whatever that number is – maybe half of Republican voters – need to be treated, for purposes of the Rule of Law, as profoundly lost and entirely irrelevant causes.
TL;DR: yeah. Screw them.
I assume chappachula is speaking figuratively not technically, in that a hung jury won’t result in justice and/or a prison sentence. From that POV I agree and don’t anticipate anything routinely just or appropriate.
I’m going to have to watch “12 angry men again.” But this would be different with the one person saying Not Guilty. The rest will have to convince the one hold out of the facts. BUT MAGAs are immune to facts.
And not just immune, they deliberately ignore them. They’ve been coned by the worst con man that I have ever seen. That’s hard to admit to.
Yeah, this is key.
- The jury pool will be from DC, where there are fewer QANON cultists than in, oh, let’s say, West Virginia, where Trump wants the trial moved to.
- Smith will be looking out for cultists during jury selection. He’s very aware that they exist, and he’s not a slouch at investigation. A True Believer is likely to be outed, and ousted, during this process.
- A Trump supporter could end up on the jury; but spending day after day listening to one of the nation’s to prosecutors provide evidence about Trump’s crime isn’t an activity most Trump supporters are accustomed to. Someone who isn’t a True Believer may well have their minds changed by this process.
- Even if their mind isn’t completely changed, peer pressure is a huge thing. During jury deliberations, a True Believer will have to withstand tremendous pressure from other jury members if they want to maintain defiance of the evidence.
- If, somehow, a True Believer makes it through steps 1-4, it’s highly likely they’ll also be breaking some jury rules (e.g., communicating with other True Believers in violation of the jury rules) and be expelled from the jury.
- If somehow they make it through step 5 as well, a mistrial is the likeliest outcome, at which point, Smith can take everyone back through steps 1-5.
I don’t think Chicken Little’s got an accurate weather report, and I don’t think @chappachula is correctly analyzing this situation.
Isn’t this specific trial to be set in the same venue as the J6 cases? How many times did a J6er, one who faced a jury of course, get off because of a hung jury? Or a hung jury with one person holding out despite the evidence?
This is an excellent point.
@Left_Hand_of_Dorkness, great post.
Thank you.
You can bet all social media postings by prospective jurors will be closely examined by both sides, and I suspect that anyone who’s recently deleted their presence will be viewed with extra suspicion as trying to sneak their bias onto the jury.
I know some here consider Trump a violent criminal. But judges won’t look at it that way. He would go to a well-run low security facility with other elderly and/or non-violent offenders.
Also, remember that less educated men are his core constituency. I suspect he’d find most of his fellow prisoners to be Trump supporters.
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