I don’t know. If I’m not mistaken, 5 of the 6 co-conspirators are or were lawyers.
Well, I think those lawyers were hoping to be in the inside circle of the newly crowned Trumpopia land. I think they literally were banking on Trump winning and rewarding them handsomely for their loyalty by awarding them a dukedom, land, castles and some serfs to lord it over.
The current crop of lawyers though? The most they will get is stiffed on their bill and possibly tossed from the bar.
Defendant’s lawyer submitted their argument just barely before 5 pm, prosecutors reply within 3 hours.
The judge has issued a hearing on or before aug 11 th on the discovery question. Just reported on msnbc.
A win.
Juries are unpredictable. Federal juries? Not so much in general, but when a politician is the defendant, yes, juries are unpredictable.
If a lawyer has a need to frequently win, they shouldn’t be taking federal criminal cases, period.
I question that.
First of all, most of them are probably are getting a high six, or low seven, figure retainer. And if their billable hours go above that, they are in much better shape to squeeze the rest out of Trump than one of those plumbers he stiffs.
And as for being tossed from the bar, it’s a risk, but hardly a probability. Consider:
These criminal lawyers are used to shady arrogant clients. They probably consider it a challenge, and pride themselves on rising to it.
Lionel Hutz: Uh-oh, we’ve drawn Judge Snyder.
Marge: Is that bad?
Hutz: Well, he’s had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog.
Marge: You did?
Hutz: Well, replace the word “kinda” with “repeatedly” and “dog” with “son”.
I found something rather amusing in the defense council’s response, at the bottom of page 9.
One of the things they object to is that the definition on authorized persons is limited to “persons employed by the defendant”.
The object to that because of the likely possibility that Trump will utilize what they call “volunteer attorneys’, defined as lawyers he has asked to help him but that he has no intention of paying.
I’m not sure if that’s an announcement of his intention to stiff his attorneys, or if it means he intends to show everything the government sends to every crackpot MAGAt with a law degree, so they can publicly mischaracterize the evidence they are presented with. I suspect it’s a little of both.
And someone needs to tell Trump’s lawyers that the Dark Brandon meme has been around for a long time and wasn’t created in response to the indictment like they claim. They should also make clear that it’s not inappropriate for Biden to publicly say that he wants to win the 2024 election, because they seem to suggest otherwise.
Especially if the juror form asks you for your social media postings and the handle you go by on the SDMB. 
Apparently, Donald’s response to the protective order is a demand that he be allowed to use evidence provided in discovery in his campaign ads.
What worries me is that the pubbies would probably still vote for him even after seeing all the evidence against him.
Serious question: How mich does a person in the jury pool have to divulge? And how easy is it to hide your social media comments from the court?
All of us here at the Dope use anonymous handles. And all of us are careful to not reveal our real life names, because we don’t want to get fired from our jobs, or embarrass ourselves,or hurt the feelings of somebody.
There must be millions of similar folks out there in MAGA land.
People who believe in the cult of Trump, but are smart enough not to blast it on Facebook under their real names.
For example, there is a forum on reddit called “conservative”. (Reddit - Dive into anything. )They carry out a little bit of reasonable discussiion, with a whole lot of MAGA nonsense . But it is all, like us Dopers, under anonymous usernames.
It would be easy for a conservative member there to appear in the jury pool as unbiased, with no social media presence ,but in reality he could be a full blown fanatic.
They’re still collecting information? I guess it’s such a deep, maze-y rabbit hole that there’s always something new to learn.
Ah, I stand corrected. The ratio of non-MAGAs to MAGAs is still going to be a lot higher than 10:6, though, in DC.
There has not been a single hung jury due to a MAGA juror in any J6 trial. Why is there any reason to think one will slip through the cracks for the most important trial of all?
Thank you!! Such a well made point.
Bevause plenty of Americans feel personal loyalty towards Trump the man and MAGA the movement. Many (most?) of the j6 defendants turned on Trump/MAGA to one degree or another once they were staring down inevitable jail time. A die-hard Trump supporter would, I think, be more likely to send a traitor to the cause to jail.
I’m not too worried about it - I think Smith and his team will be thorough and careful. But I think the concern stands up to logic.
Because MAGAs have blind devotion to their dear leader Trump that they don’t have to other MAGAs. MAGAs don’t care a whole lot if another MAGA goes to jail over J6. But if Trump is prosecuted, it will impede him becoming president and ushering a return to the golden age of America. If a MAGA causes a hung trial by spending the whole deliberation period writing “Not Guilty” on the voting paper, he’ll be a hero to the MAGAs. He’ll never have to buy a drink again in his life. He’ll probably get his own suite at Mar-a-Lago and play golf with Trump as much as he likes. I think of it as similar to how Christians feel about other Christians versus how they feel about Jesus. Trump is like Jesus to the MAGAs.
But you think that one so blindly devoted will be able to withstand the voir dire process, which is designed to ferret out exactly these sorts of people? I don’t.
I’ll allow I can envision a freak circumstance where such a one might find their way on to a jury. But even hard bitten idealogues can and have been persuaded by overwhelming evidence, together with a judge’s stern instructions to follow the evidence and law in the case before them.
I’ve been out of pocket for a couple of days, but I should have reworded this question to:
If the trial results in a hung jury, is the vote margin made available to the judge and attorneys?
The answer to this question, based on succeeding posts, appears to be ‘No’. So the prosecuting attorney does not have that information in her/his determination of whether or not to ask for a retrial.