Donald Trump and the runup to the 2024 election

The word fascist is so overused that I’ve hesitated to use it — although Trump is the one American politician about whom it might really be true — and although I still say Trump more wants to be a regular old-time Latin American style caudillo.

Past overuse came from left and right. Examples:

Ronald Reagan: If Fascism Ever Comes to America, It Will Come in the Name of Liberalism’

And:

As the late liberal senator Paul Wellstone (D-Minn.) recounted in his memoirs, the reaction in his household was simple: “Nixon is a fascist pig.”

Compared to Trump, RN certainly was not a fascist! Just a regular crook!

Might?

He is exhibiting very disturbing behavior wishing he had the generals Hitler had and threatening to use the military for the “enemy within” which is elected officials from the Democratic party.

Yet, it’s still a tight race. The right loves their authoritarians (or is he a totalitarian?).

I no longer trust any sort of check & balance. He already stacked the SCOTUS. He could run roughshod over the country.

Horrible stuff. But isn’t this all well established by now? It’s been in the news multiple times since the book first came out, and again last Springtime, he’s for Hitler.

The fact you think there is a difference between a “Latin America style caudillo” and a facist is …ummm…(checks forum)…interesting.

I call him a fascist wanna-be.

Just FYI folks-

32% of police are Republican. 31% are Democrats. Fascist Democrats? “*You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means” *

Only 45% are white, however, 68% are male.

I hate to underestimate my adversary by saying he is dumb, but he sure is ignorant of history:

“I need the kind of generals that Hitler had,” Trump said in a private conversation in the White House

First, think of the generals who Hitler ordered not to surrender, and then they did surrender.

Even more well known are the generals who were in on the 1944 plot to kill him. Looking here, I count seven:

20 July Plot

Who gives a shit? His stupid misunderstanding doesn’t mean he doesn’t want generals that will do his bidding!

I love how Trump’s line of attack on Kamala Harris and Barack Obama are about how tired they are. Trump threw shade at Harris because when she gives a speech it’s only for 15 minutes no realizing it might be because she has the mental faculty to get to the point without the need for a weave of some sort. It never ceases to amaze me how every accusation seems to be a confession.

Hitler’s generals lost the war. They’re losers! And Donnie only likes winners. His seeming obsession with Hitler’s generals seems odd.

This is the first time we’re hearing Kelly say it in his own words.

Yeah. And that’s more powerful than hearing that he said it. Still the news ain’t new, and from Trump world another disgruntled former employee speaking shit.

Yes.

If you had asked me twenty years ago, I would have said that patriotism and national pride was close to being a human universal. So how can it be that someone like Trump, a draft dodger with no pride in the sacrifices of our military, can be a viable candidate for national leader?

Answers seem inadequate. Trump, the anti-patriot, has convinced 40+ percent of the country that he is one, while they doubt Harris, who obviously is a patriot working almost daily with our military.

It is like 1940, except instead of Wilkie, the Republicans have nominated someone with Lindbergh’s defeatist views and none of his courage.

Does Harris think it is 1940? Because her day job is mostly about war in the Middle East and Russia/Ukraine, she more possibly thinks that way than the rest of us. But who knows? If she said it privately, her advisers would tell her that the American people will not accept the fact that the US is electing a wartime president.

It used to be that our military was at war, and America was at the mall. Now the State Department is at war and America is at Amazon.com.

Seriously? Worldwide? Even in the US - after the passage of the Patriot Act and the BS invasion of Iraq?

I’ve long wondered what exactly were these supposed “exceptional” American values…

Exactly. Unless Kelly has it on tape it won’t matter. And even then I doubt it would. We heard him say very similar things about John McCain more than once it had almost no impact. His voters either agree with him, because they are assholes just like he is, or they assume he’s joking or “talking tough” or whatever or put it in the “I don’t like him but I like his policies” bucket.

Perhaps I should have been cautious and said — universal among American median voters.

According to this poll out yesterday, only 37 percent think the word patriotic describes Harris, while 46 percent say it of Trump:

YouGov

Not good.

Here is a New YorkTimes discussion of what can be meant by patriotism today:

Kamala Harris’s Muscular Patriotism

P.S. If you do not want to read all of the link immediately above, scroll down to the bolded “America is . . . “ survey results.

I see in this morning’s news that it has been positively confirmed that Russia is attempting to subvert the election in favor of Agent Orange. Putin has stated that he wants Trump as his stooge. Operators are spreading false stories about Walz being a pedophile. It would seem to me that what Russia needs is for the USA to launch a really serious counter cyber attack on them for trying to interfere with our election.

I think our cyber resources would be better spent countering this shit and otherwise doing everything possible to help Harris and other Democrats win. Once that’s accomplished, we can start fucking with Russia.

Russia of course prefers the Putin worshipping Trump to a competent administration, but honestly I think they care less about who wins than that there is widespread distrust of our institutions and our process by our citizens, and that our model is not seen as worthy of emulation across the world.

We’re DEFINITELY about to get leaked video of Trump praising Hitler, aren’t we?

Fox tried sanewashing that by saying maybe trump didnt realize that Hitlers General were nazis. In other words," he is not a fascist, he is just an idiot." :crazy_face: :roll_eyes:

Screenshot what??