Geez…
If I offend you, Yue Han, in some way by using lanquage that is not to your liking, feel free to call me on it. I don’t generally use such terms, but you never know…
But for right now, fuck you and your 'you’d better not do this or else you’ll have to deal with me!!! attitude. Your public realtions savvy makes you eminately qualified to go and work for PETA. You have succeeded only in making me want to use these words just for spite.
Get bent.
It is pretty ludicrous to be taken to task for saying something in the pit?
So I suppose it would be pretty ludicrous for you to take someone to task for something they say in the pit… like, oh, I don’t know… rape and Nazi?
Only because I’ve found that those who would make such comments are Ignorant. And we’re all about fighting Ignorance.
You, sir, are Ignorance.
But, see, that’s the thing. You only call someone a Nazi if they really are a Nazi. And you only call someone a dick if they really are a dick.
Dick.
This is becoming very tiresome thread of me bickering with various people who insist on taking everything I say in the worst possible way.
Spooje; it’s not, do this and you’ll have to deal with me; it’s do this and it’ll offend me and others, like Spoofe, so how about showing some fucking courtesy for both the victims and people who care about them. Also, the whole idea of doing something just to spite people has always seemed really stupid to me, but feel free to allow vengeance and spite to influence your posting style, if that’s what will make you happy.
String of letters I’m not going to reopen the thread to check: Even the Pit has its limits. It is a place where far more brusqueness, profanity, self-pity and anger is tolerated than usual, but it is still not a total freeforall. I would place equating annoyance with expensive books with savage violation firmly on the unacceptable side, but we all have our own opinions.
–John
It’s not that it offends me - hell, not even Homer’s goat sex link offends me - it’s just that I think it’s fucking ridiculous to have one person say, “Hey… it’s not cool to do this,” and immediately have a dozen people look for loopholes. “What about this? Or THIS? Or THIS?”
Jesus Christ on a cherry tree, people, can’t you just take someone’s words at face value?
I have to agree with you Jodi (hi Jodi).
Calling a person “gay” in a derogative way is insulting. Calling an over-controlling, over-bearing, officious asshole a Nazi insults the person for which you are using the term and in turn insults :::drumroll::: ---- NAZIS!
I am almost certain the use of the word “Nazi” in a derogative manner isn’t going to upset many Nazis, if it does – tough shit.
The difference is, is that the meaning behind “gay” is not offensive when used correctly. Nazis are offensive to most of the population because of who they are and what they represent. I agree that one shouldn’t toss the word out carelessly, but I truly find nothing offensive in Seinfeld’s Soup Nazi or my old high school math teacher Mr. Lauzy that we used to call “Mr. Nazi” because of the way he ruled with an iron thumb.
See the difference between derogative uses of “gay” and “Nazi” and who they insult?
I personally don’t use the word “rape” in its other uses for no other reason but I think it sounds overly dramatic and dumb, but unless you rewrite the dictionary, you are going to look like an hysterical PC goon if you stomp people for correctly using it in its other meanings.
1 : an act or instance of robbing or despoiling or carrying away a person by force
2 a : sexual intercourse with a woman by a man without her consent and chiefly by force or deception – compare STATUTORY RAPE b : unlawful sexual intercourse by force or threat other than by a man with a woman
**3 : an outrageous violation ** (Notice is doesn’t specify an outragesous SEXUAL violation, just an outrageous violation.)
Let me guess, your next Pit rant is going to be about the use of the word “niggardly”. Right?
Oh, and just so you know, I am shaking in my boots in fear that I may write something that John doesn’t like. :rolleyes: Scary. :rolleyes:
SPOOFE I think they were making fun of the stupidity of his position.
Even if you take at face value the position it certainly does not mean you will respect it.
Ok, fuck this. I can explain what I mean as many times as I want, some one is going to keep poking around trying to find a way to twist my words or misunderstand me to say I’m a stupid asshole. It’s getting repetitive and, I’m sure, dull for anyone who is not involved in the conflicts.
My final word on this, and you can sit around and trash me all you want:
Using the term Nazi to, for instance, bitch about the mods, is stupid, abusive to the language, and disrespectful of people who actually suffered under the Nazis. If an injustice is actually unjust enough, it may be justifiable, but there are probably better words you can use.
Using to term rape, to, for instance, complain about paying too much for books is stupid, abusive to the language, and disrespectful of people who were actually raped. If the mistreatment you have suffered is terrible enough, it may be justifiable, but there are probably better words that you can use.
If you choose to use these words in an offensive way, I will complain about it. And you can throw a hissy fit about that and call me the PC Police even though I can’t punish you in anyway, but I am still not going to let asshole* behavior pass.
–John
*By this, obviously, I mean what I consider asshole behavior, as I do not have the time to phone up you and ask you what you think I should post. Everybody has to make their own judgement calls.
Sure, if you called a Jew a Nazi or if you just toss the word around carelessly, but if I choose to call an over-bearing, ham-fisted asshole a Nazi (which I consider a huge insult), how am I disrespecting those who suffered under the Nazis? Seems to me the only person I am insulting would be the over-bearing, ham-fisted asshole who is acting like a Nazi (and who I feel deserves the huge insult). I may be disrespecting Nazis by using their title to show contempt towards someone, but I highly doubt they would be insulted nor would I care if they were.
I agree, there are better words to use and as I said, using the word “rape” to describe being ripped off sounds a little lame and overly dramatic, BUT it is not an incorrect use of the word whether you like it or not. To dictate how a word should or should not be used, especially in its correct usage, just makes you look hypersensitive and a little ignorant.
You know what? Complain all you want and we’ll see how much asshole behavior you let pass.
Yu-do you get equally upset when liberals call Rush Limbaugh or conservative lawmakers nazis?
Serious question.
(I was going to leave, and I’m still not going to get involved with bickering and trying to defend myself. But I’ll answer the question)
‘Equally upset’? Equally with what?
Anyway, this isn’t about politics. It’s about not comparing your (not you Oblong, you the generic offender) experience with the experiences of people who actually suffered under the Nazis.
So if you call Limbaugh someone a Nazi because they disagree with you or move your thread or are in a different political party (except, of course the Nazi party) it would bother me. It’s like saying, “Hey, you moved my thread, I’m being treated as badly as a Jew in Nazi Germany.” Which is silly, untrue, and disrespects the real victims.
So, I guess, the answer is “yes.”
–John
Except of course calling someone a Nazi has literally nothing to do with death camps or gas chambers, but instead the overly-controlling and heavy-handedness of their actions.
Ok, then,
“My freedoms are being trampled like someone living in Nazi Germany.”
Question for you - Do you understand the reasoning behind Jerry Seinfeld’s calling the Soup Nazi, the Soup Nazi? Can you see that it was insulting to the soup store owner and not Jews?
Diane, I am particularly frustrated with you, because I know you are not an idiot, and yet you keep repeating snide questions I have already addressed.
The Soup Nazi was a special case in many ways, but most relevant to my way of thinking is the fact that it was a comedy peice. In comedy it’s built in from the start that you are exaggerating; no one seriously feels that their suffering at his hands is comparable to a Nazi regime.
My objection is primarily towards people who use the term self-righteously, like: “Gun control Nazis” “SDMB Gestapo” “That Nazi at Kinko’s would let me make free copies.” These people actually seem to think that they are being mistreated on the same scale as Nazi oppression. Or maybe I’m just being too cynical… surely no one is really that self-absorbed…
–John
(I don’t mean to keep getting sucked back in, but I can’t help reading it from curiousity when I see it’s bumped, and then I feel dishonest if someone asks a question and I ignore it as if I hadn’t read the thread.)
Or maybe its just a cliche. I would say you have to be pretty self asorbed to believe most people who say that believe they are being treated the same as nazies.
I’m really not trying to be snide, I just think we are both looking at things from different views.
Correct me if I am wrong but you are looking at things from the victim’s eyes, or in the Soup Nazi example, his customers. You feel that the Nazi label reflects the way the customers are made to feel by the actions of the person labeled a Nazi. Am I correct?
I am seeing the use of the word “Nazi” as an insulting description of a person who is heavy-handed and over-bearing. In this usage, there are no victims, just a description of a person who is acting in this manner.
Again, I do not feel that the title should be tossed around carelessly and certainly not used on certain people, but used in a derogatory manner towards someone exhibiting Nazi like traits, well yeah, I see nothing wrong with it.
Ok, Diane, I think we’re pretty much in agreement really. Our idea of when the term is acceptable might not overlap entirely, but we both agree that it isn’t something to be used stupidly and lightly just because you don’t like another person’s actions.
Sterra, I don’t understand your post at all… I don’t see how it’s self-absorbed to think that people might be willing to think that; I can’t even see the connection between the two.
Also, did you change your name? I can’t figure out how you have so many posts and have been registered for two years but I’ve never seen you before this thread.
–John
Can I go to bed now John? 
I’m really sleepy and this thread has been keeping me up.
Anyway, I think we both see each others point even if we don’t agree 100%. I even respect where you are coming from. Really.
Nite.
True 'nough. What I saw, however, was a bunch of people who took someone’s stance and began nibbling at the edges.
OP: “Don’t call people Nazi’s.”
Someone Else: “Can we call them retards?”
OP: “I don’t care, just don’t call them Nazi’s!”
SE: “How about dicks?”
OP: “No Nazi’s!”
SE: “What about morons?”
In other words, it appeared that lotsa people were being very obtuse about a simple request.