OK, this creeps me out.
My mama (who knows everything) said you don’t have to respect everybody, you just have to treat them with respect, which apparently you can stop doing when they do the same to you.
Roland, I would appreciate it if you would stop referring to yourself as a sociopath. You are NOT a sociopath. Sociopaths are invariably charming, socially polished, and able to (most of the time) be functioning members of society. They actually have more than two functioning neurons floating around in their heads to slam together. BestKittyFriend meets the majority of the criteria for APD, and you are simply not fit to even breath the same air as he.
You are also not a hedonist. You are a sad, pathetic little man who can’t draw on his own merits earn what he feels he deserves, and so takes it out on everyone else.
In fact, you, sir, are a Borderline. I can tell because every time I read one of your posts my teeth itch, which happens to be my Early Warning System For Borderlines.
I can only thank the gods that neither I nor my family live anywhere near you.
This statement shows a fundamental level of dishonesty which demonstrates the person making the statement is unqualified to deliver health care. It matters not a whit the person’s level of skill, intelligence, or caring. The risk of future dishonesty is too great. Since the person has already demonstrated a willingness to take the softer, easier way to get licensed, the person will also be at high risk to take the softer, easier way at his job. For example, charting that the patient has been bathed, had their meds, and had their dressing changed without actually doing all those onerous things.
Medical and nursing boards across the nation correctly suspend and revoke licenses to practice when such behavior comes to light.
Tough. If you intend to cheat your way to a job, then you shouldn’t be able to have the job. Those who put in honest, hard work deserve it more than you do.
Frankly, it doesn’t matter what you think. The important thing is that you can demonstrate to others that you can provide “dammed good care”. That is what schooling and testing are for. If you circumvent your training by way of cheating, then you have undermined the basis for which others are placing their trust in you.
Yes. Should I somehow end up in a position where I have a nurse caring for me, I certainly don’t want someone who accidentally kills me because he cheated past the part of his training that would have taught him how to properly care for someone in the particular position that I found myself in.
I, for one, am not suggesting that you’d hurt anyone on purpose. I’m suggesting that you’d do it accidentally, because you cheated your way through your certification and don’t know what the fuck you’re doing.
I was a Registered Medical Laboratory Technologist (let me assure you that this qualification does not come easily), and I left the field after a year or two because I realized that I wasn’t suited for it, and patients might suffer because I wasn’t the right person to do the job. Not everyone belongs in the medical field, and if you’re one of them, Roland, you need to take a long, hard look at yourself and make the right decision.
And get a grip on yourself - this is just a message board. If people are pissing you off, take a break. Go for a walk. Get some perspective.
So quit telling us all the intimate details about your personal life if you don’t want people to comment, dumbass.
To answer the original question: no, we don’t, so fuck you again. I don’t want a guy giving me a blood transfusion and getting confused about whether A can donate to O or vice versa because he cheated on that part of his test.
My post was intended to illustrate that the position of “respect for everything” as commonly taught in American Universities today is ridiculous. My point was that if I have to respect those who repress women, practice genital mutilation, and believe that leaving your spouse is okay if it makes you happy (the Ayn Rand people) then everyone else should have to respect me if I decide to be a sociopath or a cheater. Furthermore, I was trying to illustrate that if you really want this perfect “multicultural utopia” where all values are relative and cannot be judged by anyone else, then you don’t get to pick and choose your values. So you want gay marriage? Fine, then don’t complain when I demand that polygamy be legalized (among consenting adults). You want legalized abortion on demand for women? Fine, then as a man I should be able to dictate that the women I impregnate MUST have an abortion or give the child up for adoption since her choice to keep the child compels me to pay childsupport or fact prison (in other words its my body thats effected too).
Damn it, you’re right! We’ve all been demanding that you respect all views everywhere equally, from genital mutilation to spouse-leaving, while simultaneously disrespecting your perfectly valid positions on cheating and sociopathy. To be logically consistent, if we support female gential multilation (and we all do), we have to also support your cheating. I for one value logical consistency above all else, and thus concede to your every point. Cheat away, my friend! You’ve earned it.
Also, you misspelled Ms. Rand’s first name. It’s “Ian”. Haven’t you read any of the posts in this thread?
Thread’s over. Giraffe wins.
roland said,“I don’t even believe the government should be involved in telling me that I have to go to nursing school to take the NCLEX and become a licensed nurse (you see I am reasonable since I will compromise and agree to let the government have basic compentcy tests although in truth I don’t really support even these).”
Oh, sweetums. Speaking as an RN–you got trouble. Plus, I see from further posts that you have worked in the industry as an aide. Ooh-trouble, trouble, trouble.
You don’t support basic competencies? Words fail me. Truly.
If you do make it thru school and do indeed pass the NCLEX and even get a job as an RN…I want you to look around yourself. See that RN next to you in report? You’re working with her today and you BETTER be abe to count on her as a fully functioning member of the team. You BETTER be able to assume that she is familiar with everything from CPR (ACLS would be great) to initial assessment of a pt and the taking of vital signs. You will need her to get thru your shift–and she will need you. Why would you deny her the same security and basic professional trust while you are in the position of requiring it yourself?
If you think that you can cheat your way thru nursing school (and I have doubts that even a determined person can go far this way)–and even get thru the test, there still lies ahead the unforgivingly harsh world of acute care nursing.
Frankly, you won’t last a day. Think on that hard–you may be wasting your time here.
There is no such thing as “MERSA”–I think you mean MRSA, an acronym for Methcillin Resistant Staph Aureus. I have no idea what you mean by VERSA–it sounds like something that did in the Dead Poet’s Society.
I have no idea if you are misguided or are just deliberately provocative–but as a nurse–please, our publicity is bad enough: we don’t need you messing with it more, kay?
VRSA is Vancomyesin Resistant Staph. Aureus and there has been at least a few cases reported in the United States (one I remember in particular in Detroit I believe). It don’t not think that anyone should cheat, and have never done so on any exam or homework assignment in my life. However, as someone who believes in small limited government (I named my son after Ronald Reagan), I don’t believe that the government should be the one to dictate, and or micromanage standards. I would rather see private bodies fufill this function (think of CPA’s verses accountants). Of course bodies like JCAHO and ANA do this, but it is largely to fufill Medicare/Medicaid guidelines (thus we get back to the government mandated guidelines). I don’t believe the government should even have the ability to dictate standards for a Driver’s license beyond basic competency and enforcement of serious infractions. In a like manner I feel the same about attorneys, Dr’s, Dentists and almost everything else. I believe that the private sector should regulate these activities via accredidation bodies and that the government should only “bust” those who misrepresent their credentials. I don’t quite believe a cavaet emptor, but neither do I believe in the regulatory morass that we have today. Also, I believe that if I am paying a school to TEACH me that their primary focus should be on doing just that not on presenting me with tests (such as skill competencies) that could end my career as a student before I even get started. If they want to have those sort of tests then save them for the end of the program rather than the first few weeks of the semester. If other students can’t do math, or pass the written tests there are ample opportunities for tutors (some free and some paid). However, with the skills these opportunities are almost absent (since almost no one has problems with the skills it seems other than me).
However, the point of my post overall was to respond to the mentality which I am confronted with almost daily in my education that I must respect, and appreciate all perspectives even those that I consider to be evil and damaging to society (except of course for my own, somewhat conservative Christian, small government perspective which is the embodiment of hate and should be discouraged according to the gurus of political correctness who are my teachers). I attempted to use a technique that Rush Limbaugh terms “illustrating absurdity with absurdity”. For example he once claimed to form an organization that opposed Soccer due to the head trauma that it caused to illustrate the absurdity of some advocacy organizations.
I believe that I am currently a competent bedside nurses aide. Furthermore, I believe that IF I make it through school that I will make an above average nurse. However, you should realize that there are many positions in nursing that have NOTHING to do with bedside care. I personally know nurses involved in recruitment, litigation (assisting malpractice attorneys), injury prevention, and compliance auditing (especially with LTC facilities), not to mention research and systems analysis to improve health care delivery/safety. So even if my “nursing” skills were not acceptible I could work thirty years in nursing in one of these capacities without ever so much as changing a bandaid or wiping a butt, and still support my family quite nicely (and put my wife through CRNA school). You are fretting at what will happen if I graduate and yet I care for patients right now. In addition, as a First Responder (and EMT in training) at my local volunteer Fire Dept. I am responsible for life and death situations on a weekly, if not daily basis. Would your concerns about me not exist no matter what endeavor or profession that I chose to support my family? How about if I instead became a policeman, firefighter, CPA or pharmacist? Would you sleep better if I were interred at Gitmo as a person of interest? I have to do something to support my family unless you are suggesting that I just drop out of society and apply for disablity in which case YOU would be supporting me.
By a neck!
Roland, I think that’s spelled vancomycin-resistant staph.
Nobody gives a shit about your political beliefs, at least not in this thread. These test are indeed to eliminate anyone who might fuck up-even when they’re only students. These are life and death situations, moron. You seem to think you’re ENTITLED to become a nurse, and quite frankly, that scares the shit out of me.
No one said you have to respect every belief-I sure as hell don’t, and I’m as leftist as they come.
Further more, you don’t CHOOSE to be a fucking sociopath-you are born one. You, obviously think it’s cool or something like that. But you’re not a sociopath-you’re just a fucking jackass.
Shut the fuck up already.
I wonder what university Giraffe went to. I want to learn to frolick like that.
See, there’s your problem. Following Limbaugh’s lead on ANYTHING is a guaranteed route to ridicule.
I don’t think I’ve ever read a Straight Dope thread that was a greater testament to a rhea’s total Ian logic. [d&r]
Ayn was more a Playboy kind of girl, wasn’t she, what with their interviewing her?
You lost me. I was under the impression that you were protesting skill competencies, like taking a BP or positioning a pt. As a CNA, you should not only be able to PASS the damn competencies for vital signs, you should be proficient! Are you now saying that you are unable to pass the basic Math and language skills neccessary for nursing?
One reason for competency testing is to show the instructor just what s/he has got to work with. It’s no use her going on about pathophys if none of you know squat about acid/base etc. What is hard to understand about that?
No shit. What a suprise. And it may interest you to know that those job categories are the most sought after and competitive in the industry. You may find your personal philosophies get in the way of being recruited and even interviewed.
Not if you cannot pass basic skills competency. Hey, you got into the school–that doesn’t mean you’re entitled to graduate. You want the RN behind your name–you gotta jump thru the hoops.
Nope-I have no concerns about you or your family. That is your own paranoia kicking in. I am confident that if you could not perform your duties as a CNA that you would be fired etc. I am not interested in your EMT status etc. Your stance that competency testing is nonsense is surprising, given your career choice–whatever will you do about CEU’s?
Who wants you in Gitmo? This sounds like flight of ideas to me. Stop overdramatizing.
Frankly, this attitude of “I want to be a nurse, and we need nurses, so I should get to become one-no matter how poor my skills and attitude are” is not uncommon. The students that come out of school these days!–they can’t spell, they can’t document status and changes in a pt adequately–oh, that’s a whole nother thread, believe me…
Roland-stay in school; you may learn something. The positve thing in your post is that you see the potential the the RN can give a person. Why you cannot see the value of establishing proficiency at skills common to the profession boggles my mind.