Don't we also have to respect cheaters and sociopaths?

I think Ian Rand had something to do with the invention of 1920’s style death rays. He calculated the angle etheta of reflection of them., IIRC.

Didn’t he go to the bottom of Marianne’s trench, for 20 minutes in 1960? Or was that the Professor…

I’m such a :wally

In reply to some of the above sentiments I state the following:

  1. I am fairly sure that its Ayn Rand. I made a spelling error which is common for me (try posting with two or three dogs barking, a Television blaring and your four year old son pulling on your arm hoping that you can finish your post before your wife walks in and casts a glance that says “shouldn’t you be studying” and you have a glimpse into my world.) I apply Kant’s conversational implicature to others and expect that they do the same with me. Indeed, I remember taking a logic class many years ago and Kant’s conversational implicature was presented as the central tenet to all civilized discourse.

  2. I was selected first in my nursing class out of 60. I had almost 200 hours of mainly Science classes that I’ve taken over the last 18 years and completed with a GPA of 3.8. I graduated 5th in my highschool class out of about 300 with 1240 SAT’s. I scored in the 95th percentile on the ASVAB in highschool and the 90th percentile overall on the MCAT which I took about six years ago. I’m hardly a brain (usually scoring only around 115 on about every intelligence test I’ve ever taken), but neither am I a complete idiot at least compared to most nurses. Furthermore, I survived Type B, acute Lymphocytic Leukemia as a child which caused me to miss about two years of school. I then developed a rare eye disease called Pars Planitis (some call it anterior/intermediate uveitis) which caused me to lose a good chunk of my vision and have to sit out another year of school at home. Altogether I missed about 3.5 years of school. I did not attend school after the 6th grade until I was 15 and placed in the 10th grade midterm.

  3. My problems are mainly limited to learning coordinated skills. I’m not sure why but things like shuffling cards or learning to tie knots are damm near impossible for me. I’m convinced that a PET/MRI of my brain would show abnormalities. However learning skills are not too difficult for me if I have people to practice with (as I did in my last nursing course). However, I “split” my first two nursing courses so the rest of my class moved on. This class is younger (average age 19 verses maybe 25 for the last class which had many second degree students), and I am the only remaining guy (and a creepy, fat, balding guy of 35 at that). The instructor demonstrated the skills exactly once. Our three Texts (actually two texts plus a printed skills manual) present the skills in about three different versions and list the steps in different orders with each omitting various steps relative to the others. What’s more key steps or parts of skills are often missing from the Texts. For example I failed part of my sterile dressing change today because rather than properly “lipping” the saline solution into a non sterile cup and then pouring from the bottle, I instead poured from the cup. There was no place in the skills manual that discussed this step. Indeed the instructions read only "Pour liquid while keeping label facing up and not touching container. Then pour liquid over the sterile 4X4’s). To get this you would have had to pay close attention to the instructors presentation and then remembered what she did. Furthermore, it wouldn’t have been an issue if I had a “practice group” as almost everyone else does. I’m on my own in terms of learning the skills.

  4. Speaking of cheating we had “Virtual Clinic” assignment (from a CD ROM program) due yesterday that took me four hours to complete. Most of the other students got it done in about ninty minutes because they worked in groups. Although, the teacher didn’t say we couldn’t work in groups I know from people who had the class last semester that five students were almost kicked out of this course for doing that project in groups ( It’s considered cheating, they just don’t tell you basically). I didn’t complain.

  5. One of my points above was that if I was that Comp. Sci. Teacher I would have a duty to fail the students. However, I wouldn’t “morally berate” them for their activities or degrade their intelligence. I would actually practice a little of the multicultural tolerance for all perspectives that is constantly pounded into my head and have respected their rights to have their own opinions (including on the subject of cheating). Hell, if I can respect the perspective of those who are pro-choice (something that I believe is nothing short of murder in many cases) I can surely respect those who cheat on an assignment. Note however, that respecting them doesn’t mean not doing my duty as an instructor and enforcing the rules.

  6. Rush Limbaugh is respected by millions of Americans. Granted they are mainly the ones who voted for Bush. Note however that Bush got more votes than Kerry so even if only 25% of Bush voters respected Rush that would still be millions of people. He has a drug problem so what? Which of you is without “sin” so to speak. Certainly not me. I too have a drug problem its called FOOD and combined with my SLOTH has caused me to gain a 100 pounds putting my health at risk and my sons future in jeopardy (I can’t even get life insurance at my weight although with my medical history I probably couldn’t anyway).

I’m not and never have been in a medical program, nor had I ever even heard of vancomycin (nor for that matter vancomyesin,) but when I first saw the latter word I was sure it was a typo for vancomycin.

Roland, if you really are in a nursing program, could you please tell me your real name, so I can make sure to never have you as my nurse?

Ludovic, that’s the thing. I AM A NURSE RIGHT NOW. Just not an RN. However, much of what I would do then would be the same as now. Okay, for the sake of argument let’s just say I turned my “future” and that of my family over to you. What activitiy or profession would you suggest for me? For that matter if you can come up with something that will allow me to provide better for them maybe you can even STOP me from staying in nursing. Convince me that I can become a champion Poker player or anything else that will allow me to earn 70K per year or so with less than an 80 hour work week and I’m all ears.

As for my spelling if that really concerns you then you should seek mandatory spelling skill competencies for health care professionals. I know some doctors that struggle to spell MD on a good day.

Can’t spell, can’t study, what can you do? And more importantly, why should I believe that you can?

Roland, wouldn’t it be a more worthwhile project to learn to control your own life instead of trying to control others? You say that you march to the beat of a different drummer and to hell with the conseqences. But you really do complain a lot about the consequences. Meanwhile, you scoff at others who have their own drummer going.

I don’t know of any university that teaches that you must respect everyone and everything. You seem to misinterpret a lot of things. There is usually some amount of tolerance that comes with being an emotionally intelligent person, but that is different from “respect.”

I think you over-estimate the number of people who have respect for Rush Limbaugh. He is the object of a lot of ridicule and rightly so. He is the perfect example of a troll. Millions of people listen to Howard Stern. That doesn’t make him one of the most respected men in America either.

And I know what it feels like to be lethargic and 100 pounds overweight. I was there once. And I went nuts. I got help for mental illness and social security for disability. Medication and counselling have made a difference. It prepared me for the surgery that allowed me to overcome obesity. I’m not so negative and angry anymore.

Your advice is noted. It just never ceases to amaze me how incredibly mean spirited so many people seem to be here. I have no problem with people saying essentially “you are wrong and here is why you are wrong”, and then listing those reasons. Sometimes as was the case in this thread I realize the logical problems with my assertions almost as soon as I post them (bascially, I was responding to what I thought was an overly negative tone by the Comp Sci. teacher against his cheating students). However, people around here often don’t seem satisfied to simply say “that was a bad post, rethink your arguments” they have to “go for the jugular” and suggest I shouldn’t be allowed to continue school, graduate, or practice in my chosen profession. I admit that saying I would use any method fare or foul to graduate was over the line. IF I stated in frustration that “I’m going to take your advice and drop out of school and dedicate the rest of my life to aiding Al Qaida to cross SARS and Avian influenza to try and create a world wide plague” I suspect that some of you guys would be suggesting that President Bush have me interred at Gitmo as a noncombattent. The bottom line is that people sometimes say things in fits of frustration that are not as well reasoned as they should be. Why not simply contain the responses to “You are proabably wrong here’s why, rethink your position.”

By the way I underwent extensive psychological testing in Navy before they admitted me into the EOD program. So either I’m not so crazy or the tests are not worth very much anyway.

I suspect people seem mean-spirited here when they aren’t feeling as sorry for you as you feel for yourself. Everyone, and I mean everydamnedone, has problems in their lives. You are not special. I’m not saying this to be mean, but to hopefully help you understand where some of your friction here might be coming from.

As for saying things in fits of frustration, bad idea. When frustrated, walk away. Don’t drive angry, don’t discuss things with your spouse while angry, and don’t post angry.

I just think that when people disagee with something that someone has posted that they should list reasons and arguments, rather than suggesting that the OP author get counseling, find a new line of work, ect. I try never to insult an author personally instead focusing on their ideas. I hold everyone else to the same standard.

If I recommend a person get counseling, and in your case, I do, it’s not to be insulting but because I figure they’ve got problems which they aren’t having much luck solving on their own and which I can’t help them with, while a counselor might.

Someone I know once said, “Insanity is doing the same thing the same way and expecting different results.” You don’t look like you like the results you’re getting, so why do you keep doing things the same way? Sorry, Roland Deschain. You and I haven’t directly interacted yet, but I’ve seen you around and you appear to have genuine problems. You talk about deliberately being different from other people and being unwilling and unable to conform. Congratulations. The same applies to me. In fact, if anything, I have a knee-jerk reaction against conformity. The thing is, if I realize my behaviour is continuing to annoy people or produce other adverse results, I either change it or find a way to associate with the people I’m annoying as little as possible. That’s one reason I don’t hang around Christian message boards any more.

You’re not cool or a rebel. What you posted about looking after Dopers or their loved ones is positively chilling. If you like the results you’re getting, then, fine, stay as you are and quit complaining. Otherwise, you might want to consider taking some of the advice you’ve been given. Here’s one specific thing you might want to consider, That long, 5-point post you made yesterday was an example of you giving too much detail in response to a question. It did nothing to improve most people’s opinions of you and only confirmed my impression of you. Change or quit moaning. The choice is yours.

CJ

If you don’t like the heat, get out of the BBQ Pit.

It’s Groundhog Day!

Then don’t post such personal stuff. Don’t open that door if you don’t want people to walk through it.

You seem to think that you should be able to post whatever crazy, random, offensive thoughts pop into your head, but that other people should only respond in such a way that maximizes the benefit of the doubt for you. Fuck that. We all post here for a variety of reasons, I suspect very few post here for the primary purpose of working patiently with you to reshape your impulse posts into something coherent.

Giraffe! Your sig!! It’s back!!!

Somehow, this whole thread is now worthwhile.

Shit, what a response! Clearly I’m gonna have to click that button more often.

If you know what I’m saying… :wink:

[sub]OK, I actually have no idea what I’m saying.[/sub]

It’s just one of those silly things that amuses me no end. Maybe I’m just easily amused.