Sad, but true. Oh well.
tracer I find those points about hair samples in general ‘interesting’ (not to mention the use of orgone for the process). It raises doubts in my mind, however I personally know a network of about 10 people who are on this program. It is truly astonishing to see the effects not only on some medically grim states of cancer, but also on quality of life in general… psychological/physical general health.
No matter what you say about the guy, he is a workhorse. He is also freakishly healthy for someone in his 50’s (he follows his own regiment).
Word is, a single female does all of these hair sample tests and that she is training her daughter as a protoge to carry the tradition.
I’m telling you what I know… This stuff is doing something that seems to register beyond mere chance. I guess we’ll not have anything to look at conclusively until the trials are finished though.
-Justhink
tracer I’ve pesonally met buth Dr. Gonzalez and Dr. Abram Hoffer (protoge of Linus Pauling). These two individuals are conisdered the ‘living legends’ of orthomolecular/alternative therapy, and are undoubtedly the most esteemed. Having encountered the two, it is my impression that Dr. Gonzalez is more on to something than Dr. Hoffer. I guess selection will be the final determinant on either or both of them.
-Justhink
Tris and Drastic, your posts brought smiles to my face. You both evidence this work-a-day approach to thought and openness I admire. I wish I weren’t so deadset against writing anything that sounds remotely corny to my inner ear. I would be able to say more of what I felt about what you wrote. I guess that’s where humility comes in. Someday, maybe.
Any change is change in my mind, Scotticher. When I came here, I followed a link. I don’t even know from where. I was just bouncing around. I knew nothing about Cecil or the Straight Dope. And I don’t even want to look at my first few posts, because what I remember of them seems to be a strained smart-assery which literally embarrasses me to think about.
But the quality of intellect grabbed me damn quickly. As did attitudes of openmindedness and curiosity, etc. And to move from reading a debate concerning the meaning of quantum physics to one on consciousness to one on theology to one on capital punishment … I knew I’d found a place I wanted to be.
Anyway, I’m rambling now. And it may be because I’m unwilling to say that a part of the reason this thread was started is that I’ve been wondering about mind and spirit and whether in fact they are the same thing. And if they aren’t, where the line is drawn between them, and between each of them and body. And if there were a god wouldn’t all these things and their fulfillment be equally important because it is the whole of us that makes us us. And that’s not exactly what I’m trying to say either.
The hell with it. I started this thing and having been following in an effort to grasp things I may never be able to say (and perhaps shouldn’t try to say) in prose. Oh well. The following, for instance, is something I’ve learned since coming here, and which, while at work last night, was precipitated by I thought about what I’ve read in this thread:
Notes toward explication
And here we have the dust of mercy, falling as eyelids fall
(or hands, or a chest with the breathing-out).
Here we have the dust of mercy tracing a form
in just the way water’s continual descent traces gravity.
A falling … so, of course, there is a sadness here,
shaped like a tear fallen in the finest dust.
A sadness … but look how it dances and dances,
like water beaded on a woodstove.
And how its every motion is towards absence.
Oh! Hold still. Hold still!
Do not so much as shake your head in puzzlement.
(Everything falls like this.)
I think the exact same thing. Sometimes I go back and read them and just shake my head. I almost cannot believe that was me.
And something else I want to add, now, is that I’ve had more than a few occaissions to run up against my own opinions. A whole lot of dopers don’t have memory problems, and unfortunately I’ve run up against their memories of my opinions which have changed, sometimes on these boards, sometimes due to the investigations spawned from the debates here.
Yeah,
It would be so much easier to be consistent, if people didn’t remember stuff for so long.
Tris
“Write a wise saying and your name will live forever.” ~ Anonymous ~
Great question, Fatwater.
As a veteran of over 15+ posts now, I have already seen a few changes, though they are subtle. I grew up in a fundamentalist environment that would make your hair curl (it did mine!). Eventually, I decided I couldn’t measure up, so I became an agnostic, and shuffled between agnosticism in various forms to deism to Christianity, albeit a very different Christianity from what I grew up with.
Over the course of this journey, I have come to two conclusions. First, I know almost nothing. Second, half of what I think I know is probably wrong. As such, my theology is very much a work in progress. My few posts have therefore generally been aimed at those whose ideas I find challenging, or regarding issues that I have not thought through. Diogenes the Cynic has been very helpful to me in this regard. In a few short posts discussing Genesis as allegory, I realized that part of my perception was not well thought out, and a comment he made led me to a greater understanding of what I believed.
I go to a church where “Is Harry Potter evil?” would probably qualify for a great debate. sigh To me, having been on both sides of the fence and on the fence for a while, the best way to challenge what you believe is to expose it to those who do not believe the same thing. It is amazing to me how the exercise of putting what I think in writing exposes how many of my beliefs are not really clear in my own mind.
Perhaps the greatest change I have had is one of perspective. Libertarian just posted a new thread on love. A month ago, I would have looked at parts of his post and immediately thought, “That’s Wrong!” Today, however, I find myself thinking about what he has said, and realizing that I need to do a good bit of pondering on the issue just to ask the right questions. My opinion of whether various points in the thread are right or wrong will have to wait until later. From where I sit, that’s a pretty big change.
Yep, serenitynow, in fact I often find myself writing a reply to a topic, thereby getting clear in my mind what I want to say, and realising that there is no need to post because what I would say has already been said.
My mind has cleared considerably since I started this thread (between it and others I’ve replied to, or found no need to post replies to). Thanks again to all who took part. I’m not much of a threadstarter, but I’ve tried to be a good host. Make yourselves to home now. You know where everything is.