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[QUOTE=bufftabby]
fluiddruid, hello hello hello, is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me, is there anyone at home?

Sorry, guys. Started the karaoke early. But I’m quite curious where she is.
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And I too wonder where fluiddruid is. I am going to remain consistent in my lynch the lurker strategy at this point. It is unlike her to not be participatory and whether a real life situation has arisen one can not be certain. I am going to be consistent, however. Scum seem to make a lot of excuses and back filling of statements to justify their current position. So I am unable to move my vote at this time based on my stated strategy even if it may be perceived to be unsympathetic or harsh by some.

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just so you know, my lovelies, the fact that I had access today almost certainly guarantees I won’t the rest of the week. Please don’t be too hard on me in my absences. :wink:

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[QUOTE=Hoopy Frood]

  1. This game is not all noobs. It’s newbie friendly. This means it’s likely to be a fairly basic setup and will contain many newbies. There are very roughly a third true newbies, a third haven’t played much, and a third significantly experienced. It actually makes for a good balance, IMO.
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I think it was originally intended to be a bit more than just newbie friendly in terms of setup, IMHO. That’s what we just had with Simpletown. CoG888 makes clear in the OP that this is actually a newbie-oriented game but veterans who would like to teach are welcome to join. I’ve actually been kinda surprised at the way the veterans have been playing thus far, with so many references to past games, strategies, and acronyms. ISTM that they’re essentially playing this like just any other Mafia game, which makes it kind of sink or swim for the newbies playing and probably isn’t quite what they were expecting.

I’ve read Simpletown and a couple other games so it’s not all that bad for me, but if some of the new players really “just wanted to get their feet wet before stepping it up against the big boys” (from the OP) I think they’re getting a little shell-shocked.

Just my two cents.

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Hi everyone, sorry I vanished, work got crazy on me. Tuesdays are a hard day for me to get online, will try to post a little tomorrow but hopefully will have more attention to devote on Wed. and Thurs.

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
One would think that for a population of fourteen that if everything was totally equal and truly random that each of us would end up with one vote. At least that is the mind set that I come from. However, truly random is going to be more bell shaped with a couple of unfortunates getting multiple votes while some get none. Therefore, take what would be predicted and see where that “bell” gets flattened or spiked. Figure out why and who and you have a scum manipulating the results.
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Not really. What you’d expect is that over the long-term each person should get roughly the same number of votes if voting was truly random. Over the short-term you’d expect to get all kind of aberrations. That’s the thing about BM’s Pseudo-Random Strategy that I don’t quite get. I understand his logic concerning the difference between truly random and pseudo-random votes being significant. I mean, it’s why in cryptography only the one-time pad is truly unbreakable. But I’m not convinced that there are enough “random” votes cast by any given player in a given Mafia game to provide a broad enough data set to provide good analysis.

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[QUOTE=anyrose]
Fish’s vote against me wasn’t entirely random, well maybe it was it that he looked at who had already been voted against and took a random pick from that set. But I think he took the “Shelbyville” comment as my propensity towards untruths. Feh on him, I say, feh.
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And don’t advertise a “propensity towards untruths.” I understand that there are times that this may make sense but as a general rule - kind of frowned upon.

And please don’t edit anymore. It may be a stupid rule but it is still a rule none the less.

It appears that you are probably as green as they come and I certainly don’t want to crimp your unique style of play, but those two attributes mentioned earlier are going to get you in dutch with the vast majority of this crowd.

Advice given with all the confidence of a player that has one game under the belt.

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
And don’t advertise a “propensity towards untruths.” I understand that there are times that this may make sense but as a general rule - kind of frowned upon.

And please don’t edit anymore. It may be a stupid rule but it is still a rule none the less.

It appears that you are probably as green as they come and I certainly don’t want to crimp your unique style of play, but those two attributes mentioned earlier are going to get you in dutch with the vast majority of this crowd.

Advice given with all the confidence of a player that has one game under the belt.
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I was being faceitious - I don’t lie - I was not brought up that way - I was saying that could have been how Fish took it.

And if one more person tells me not to edit, I will edit every post out of spite. I get it already! :rolleyes: :stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=cckerberos]
Not really. What you’d expect is that over the long-term each person should get roughly the same number of votes if voting was truly random. Over the short-term you’d expect to get all kind of aberrations. That’s the thing about BM’s Pseudo-Random Strategy that I don’t quite get. I understand his logic concerning the difference between truly random and pseudo-random votes being significant. I mean, it’s why in cryptography only the one-time pad is truly unbreakable. But I’m not convinced that there are enough “random” votes cast by any given player in a given Mafia game to provide a broad enough data set to provide good analysis.
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But that is the whole point. Over a million iterations everyone ends up with a million votes. Over one iteration there is going to be some type of anamoly, potentially. We are here, today, today’s attempt to normalize the anamoly by scum is what should be scrutinized - if I read BlasterMaster qnd his math even in the same continent.

No wonder I got a 26 on that friggin’ test.

I’m letting this one sink to the bottom of the ocean 'cause I either don’t get it or can’t explain it (most likely the former).

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
And I too wonder where fluiddruid is. I am going to remain consistent in my lynch the lurker strategy at this point. It is unlike her to not be participatory and whether a real life situation has arisen one can not be certain. I am going to be consistent, however. Scum seem to make a lot of excuses and back filling of statements to justify their current position. So I am unable to move my vote at this time based on my stated strategy even if it may be perceived to be unsympathetic or harsh by some.
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That seems kind of harsh to me, but I guess you seem to have anticipated that reaction. I really hate to lynch lurkers before they get a chance to defend themselves, especially when they haven’t posted at all. I’m inclined to believe she’s got a reasonable explanation. Of course, it’s possible that her “reasonable explanation” is that she’s a scummy bastard! YMMV, just my 2c.

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This is where the post counts stand as of now:

peekercpa–21
anyrose–17
bufftabby–14
Blaster Master–14
Hoopy Frood–14 (including this one)
The Unkempt One–10
Zsofia–8
Thing Fish–8
cckerberos–5
twickster–5
RyJae–4
Koldanar–4
Oredigger77–3
fluiddruid–0

One point of note: Other than from anyrose, I haven’t seen more than a couple fluff posts from anyone, and anyrose’s fluff isn’t horrible by any stretch. (I think I counted 6, but fluff is very subjective.)

Since I haven’t put a vote in yet, I’ll do so now. I won’t be voting fluiddruid at this point because she hasn’t even posted which means she has no chance to defend herself, and one really can’t be lurking if one isn’t even around. I think it may be time for a mod-prod.

So, for now, I’ll vote for the second lowest: vote Oredigger77

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
But that is the whole point. Over a million iterations everyone ends up with a million votes. Over one iteration there is going to be some type of anamoly, potentially. We are here, today, today’s attempt to normalize the anamoly by scum is what should be scrutinized - if I read BlasterMaster qnd his math even in the same continent.

No wonder I got a 26 on that friggin’ test.

I’m letting this one sink to the bottom of the ocean 'cause I either don’t get it or can’t explain it (most likely the former).
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Sorry, I misread your post. I think your argument is correct.

One point, though. From your prior post:

I think a better way of putting this would be “figure out why and you have someone who has additional information manipulating the results.” Scum of course fall into this category, but masons and various investigatory pro-town roles do as well.

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[QUOTE=cckerberos]
I think it was originally intended to be a bit more than just newbie friendly in terms of setup, IMHO. That’s what we just had with Simpletown. CoG888 makes clear in the OP that this is actually a newbie-oriented game but veterans who would like to teach are welcome to join. I’ve actually been kinda surprised at the way the veterans have been playing thus far, with so many references to past games, strategies, and acronyms. ISTM that they’re essentially playing this like just any other Mafia game, which makes it kind of sink or swim for the newbies playing and probably isn’t quite what they were expecting.

I’ve read Simpletown and a couple other games so it’s not all that bad for me, but if some of the new players really “just wanted to get their feet wet before stepping it up against the big boys” (from the OP) I think they’re getting a little shell-shocked.

Just my two cents.
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Ok, I’ll bite (just not hard). What can I do to make this more “newb” friendly? I mean I want the town to win but will also participate in any discussion that makes the new blood more willing to come back again. The idea of sitting around with some of the current vets and rehashing old shit while we drool and crap ourselves is a wee bit depressing.

All of this is offered with the reality that I have played in one game. I voted for the Doc, two town, a lurker and a Detective identified scum. As stated before I am willing to educate by walking into the mine field and getting blown up. Kind of along the lines of FCS don’t do this.

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I have reread this thread again, and after placing a finger of suspicion on Thing Fish, I think I am prepared to vote for him.

The first thing that pinged me about Thing Fish was how quickly he voted for anyrose as a lurker, when there was already a vote on her for lurking. (see post #97)

Post #137 sees Thing Fish talking about why he voted for anyrose,

[QUOTE=Thing Fish]
I don’t think anyrose had posted anything since the game started until I put the second vote on her. If she had continued not to say anything, that would strongly suggest that she was, if not scum, at least not the kind of Townie who was likely to make good contributions to our cause, and therefore a good lynch candidate. Mind you, posting a couple lines of OMGUS doesn’t exactly convince me to move my vote off her, but it’s a start.
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Post # 163:

[QUOTE=Thing Fish]
RyJae, my smudge of twickster was really meant more as a humorous illustration of the paranoid thinking this game inspires than as a serious accusation… but again, we do have to start somewhere, and pointing out that rose had made multiple posts attacking me for jumping on the bandwagon while ignoring the person who started the bandwagon is about as close to a legitimate datum as we’re likely to get this early in the game. But if the more experienced players feel this sort of thing is unhelpful, I will be happy to knock it off; I have read over a few games quickly and one very carefully, but I am still a newbie.
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Seems convenient that Thing Fish is going to leave himself an out (the part I bolded) if he feels that he needs to back off of his vote on anyrose. Seems too easy to me.

Well, I looked for all of the supposed posts where anyrose attacked Thing Fish, and I have to say that I am having a hard time finding them. However, I am going to post of list of anyrose’s posts made after **Thing Fish **voted for her, prior to his post # 163:

#116 - placed an omgus vote against Thing Fish

#120 - asked for a definition of omgus

#121 - apologized for editing

#128 - asked about randomizing votes

#135 - explained reasons for her “lurking”

#140 - commented about discussing voting strategy

#145 - suggests Fish jumped on a bandwagon (is this the attack you are talking about Thing Fish?)

#147 - says she suspects everyone

#154 - suggests Fish’s vote was not completely random

#157 - talked about editing again

It seems to me that Thing Fish is misrepresenting anyrose’s response to his vote in order to make her look scummy. So because of this, I am going to vote for him.

vote Thing Fish

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[QUOTE=anyrose]
I was being faceitious - I don’t lie - I was not brought up that way - I was saying that could have been how Fish took it.

And if one more person tells me not to edit, I will edit every post out of spite. I get it already! :rolleyes: :stuck_out_tongue:
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Kind of figured your nature after the Shelbyville post. You totally whoosed me.

Oh, and please don’t edit anymore. :slight_smile:

And if you do out of spite my faith in the goodness of mankind will be shaken to its foundation.

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Well after getting two votes I guess I need to explain my lack of posts. After looking at the vote count I am most deffinantly not keeping up. Ive posted whenever I had something to say and a couple of times when I thought I didn’t have anything to say. Unforunatly I don’t have any master stratigies to talk about or grand observations to make. I agree Thing Fish look scummy earlier but not enough for me vote for him. But I also wonder about Master Blaster’s continous posting about strategy it seems like he is trying to force us to think in a certain manner which could either be good or bad. Still no vote but at least I explained where I’m coming from.

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[QUOTE=peekercpa]
Ok, I’ll bite (just not hard). What can I do to make this more “newb” friendly? I mean I want the town to win but will also participate in any discussion that makes the new blood more willing to come back again. The idea of sitting around with some of the current vets and rehashing old shit while we drool and crap ourselves is a wee bit depressing.

All of this is offered with the reality that I have played in one game. I voted for the Doc, two town, a lurker and a Detective identified scum. As stated before I am willing to educate by walking into the mine field and getting blown up. Kind of along the lines of FCS don’t do this.
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Honestly, as a newbie myself, I’m not exactly sure. Certainly the very nature of the game, in which advice given and questions asked are scrutinized for scumtells, more or less acts against it being newbie friendly. I’m not sure what can really be done about that.

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[QUOTE=Hoopy Frood]
…I won’t be voting fluiddruid at this point because she hasn’t even posted which means she has no chance to defend herself, and one really can’t be lurking if one isn’t even around. I think it may be time for a mod-prod…
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Prodding in progress

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Two and a half days until deadline.
Vote Count
**anyrose - 2 ** (twickster, Thing Fish)
**fluiddruid - 1 ** (peekercepa)
**Oredigger77 - 1 ** (cckerberos)
**bufftabby - 1 ** (Zsofia)
**Thing Fish - 4 ** (anyrose, Blaster Master, RyJae, The Unkempt One)

Not Voting
Oredigger77, Hoppy Frood, fluiddruid, Koldanar, , bufftabby

Sorry, I had the last vote count wrong. I listed Thing Fish with 1 vote, even though I had two names listed. This is correct as far as I can tell.

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Hoppy Frood voted for Oredigger77 in #210

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[QUOTE=Oredigger77]
Well after getting two votes I guess I need to explain my lack of posts. After looking at the vote count I am most deffinantly not keeping up. Ive posted whenever I had something to say and a couple of times when I thought I didn’t have anything to say. Unforunatly I don’t have any master stratigies to talk about or grand observations to make. I agree Thing Fish look scummy earlier but not enough for me vote for him. But I also wonder about Master Blaster’s continous posting about strategy it seems like he is trying to force us to think in a certain manner which could either be good or bad. Still no vote but at least I explained where I’m coming from.
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And this is certainly no defense of BlasterMaster but this early in the game there are dazzingly few data points on which to base any discussion on. Therefore, it seems that talk invariably meanders into the strategy zone. Kind of like talking to semi - strangers. The weather seems to always gets brought up. Kind of clicheish (word ?) But none the less rather universal.