Draft Dodger [Harrison Ford]

Was Harrison Ford a draft dodger during the Vietnam War?

Ford filed a petition to be classified as a Conscientious Objector. He submitted a long explanation about his philosophical beliefs which he admits was confusing. Whether the military accepted his claim or simply decided not to bother, the result was that Ford was not called up.

Just to clarify.

Conscientious objectors are NOT draft dodgers.
Those with medical issues are NOT draft dodgers.
Those with dependents are NOT draft dodgers.
Those in protected occupations are NOT draft dodgers.

And so on.

Your claims are at odds with how many people actually use the term, and how some dictionaries define it.

Define “draft dodger”.

I understand it in exactly the way it is defined by law. So you think all the atomic bomb developers were draft dodgers. Since this is GQ, I will stop here.

If Draft Dodger is anyone that could have gone to Vietnam but didn’t, then I guess he was. But did I dodge the draft by volunteering to be in the Army but Not go to Vietnam?

Which is, I’m sure, one of many definitions commonly in use, none of which I would presume to call more correct than the other. By the way, which law is it that defines the term “draft dodger”?

My personal opinion is that if you follow the existing rules in an honest manner to avoid being drafted, you can be called a draft evader. If you violate the rules or make false claims to avoid being drafted, you can be called a draft dodger.

In Ford’s case, it’s not clear whether the beliefs he gave in his request for conscientious objector status were his sincere beliefs at the time or just stuff he made up (I’m basing this on what Ford himself has said).

I think there’s a plausible argument that somebody who requests conscientious objector status on the basis of beliefs he doesn’t actually hold has done something wrong and should be considered a draft dodger.

For the record, here’s what Ford said in a 1997 interview:

Was I a draft dodger because, since I’m 4’11", the draft board decided that they couldn’t draft me or take me even if I had enlisted?

And here’s also how some dictionaries define it:

All my examples were official, legal exemptions for which it is both wrong and derogatory to condemn as dodging the draft.

I can agree with that, although the “rules” were often in practice interpretations, and different draft boards might not have agreed on them.

The quote in your next post does not show that Ford made up stuff. He seems to be claiming that one can be a conscientious objector without necessarily believing in God or a particular religion. I would hope that by this era that would be self-evidently obvious.

If memory serves, the requirement was that CO status had to derive from a known pacifistic, established religious tradition like that of the Quakers, but in 1968 this was changed to include personal beliefs independent of religion. However, one still had to base these personal beliefs on outside authority, which required extensive citing of classical philosophers and such. Sounds like Ford’s effort was one of these.

I feel it’s not clear from what he said. He admits his letter to the draft board confused them badly: so was this because Ford expressed himself poorly despite his best efforts or was he intentionally trying to be unclear? He also said “I developed that thesis and took the biblical injunction to love thy neighbor as thyself as the central and most meaningful thing in my life.” This is somewhat ambiguous: is Ford saying this was his existing belief or is he saying he adopted this as his belief because he felt it was likely to be accepted by the draft board?

I was in college during the Vietnam war. The draft board mistakenly (on purpose?) revoked my student deferment and called me in for a physical. By losing ten pounds in ten days, I was underweight at the physical. After appealing the revocation of my student deferment they did the same thing a year later. I lost the ten pounds again and this time was classed as 4-F (not fit for military service). My lottery number was 50, so I was otherwise sure to be drafted.

I was opposed to the war on moral grounds. But since I was (and still am) an atheist, didn’t think I’d get anywhere claiming to be a conscientious objector.

Was I a draft dogder or draft evader? Neither?

James Fallows did the same thing and wrote a famous article about it:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2009/0911.fallows.html

IMHO, anyone that went out of their way to orchestrate a situation and/or belief in order to secure a deferment was a draft dodger. Obviously not a scientific/legal opinion, but I believe it to be accurate in terms of context of the time.

Define “out of their way.” In the given case, someone lost ten pounds in ten days. Suppose they didn’t eat much the day before and lost one pound, just enough to put them under the required weight. Does that count?

Withdrawn.

Whenever you have to hedge your statement with “IMHO” in this forum, you lose. :wink:

Until and unless* the OP defines specifically what he means by the term, shouldn’t we just go with the legal definition?

*Note join date.