This position has proven tough to fill…
Am I the only one who would like to throw Malienation and Catsix into a room together?
right, what’s your lawyer’s name?
That if the draft is ever needed, women are suitable for many roles, thus should be drafted along with men.
Whoa, man, let’s not go overboard here! I think you’re extrapolating way too much. And besides, if you don’t believe that a woman would help you in times of need (and I’m not quite sure how you got to that conclusion), wouldn’t it be better to encourage them to do so, rather than just denying help to all unknown women who need it? Ie, raise expectations for everyone, rather than lowering them for everyone.
C’mon…really. When was the last time you read in the paper or heard on the news “area man in trouble, disaster averted by heroic woman?” :rolleyes: Never, that’s when. They’ll help someone they know…maybe, if they deem the man sufficiently important to them. Otherwise, it’s been nice knowing you, pal…
I don’t know, but I can guess that yes, in times when a disaster is imminent and heroic acts (often of a physical nature) are called for, it is proably a man who comes to the rescue. But I can also say that in my experience, women do volunteer work in far greater numbers than men, and that can be every bit as life-saving. Women are often the ones who run soup kitchens, blood banks, charity drives, etc., all for complete strangers.
Okay, I’ll give you that… but that’s work, life-saving but not life-risking. And many of those women don’t hold outside jobs, or work part-time. How many men can do that?
Yea and I agreed with this. With the caveat that I do not support any draft. And also that ony one provider per family be eligible. So if the mom is already drafted or already serving, the father becomes not eligible. And if the dad is serving or drafted, then mom is ineligible. And I added that this policy would have the benefit of persuading husbands to voluntarily enlist before a draft starts because it would make their wives ineligible.
Also, for reasons too complicated to explain but not at all unlike erie’s example, I do not agree with placing woman into infantry type units.
I realize this is a totally separate issue, but what of a gay couple raising an adopted child?
Oh, and I don’t know what news Malienation watches, but I’ve seen plenty of “Mom Lifts Car To Save Toddler” stories. Most of the “heroic man saves day” stories I see are about police officers, firefighters, and other predominantly male occupations. Is it any wonder we see so many such news stories when we don’t let women do those jobs?
Yeah…their own toddler.
And so your response is to denigrate women because they don’t rescue complete strangers? It makes as much sense to denigrate men because they don’t save their families. Your choice says volumes about you.
Or a seperated couple who have joint custody of a child. Who serves if they both get drafted at the same time and can’t agree on who goes. Or does a family have to include children? If a couple has no children is it acceptable to draft both of them?
I think part of the confusion here may just be country-related. I am a reservist in Canada. Canada, does not, at this time, send their reservist overseas without the reservist volunteering. That may change, but for now that’s they way it is.
When I spoke of backfilling, there is still a need. Not only for supply, but paperwork, training, recruiting, logistics and ops still continue to happen both here and overseas.
That said, if they send all of the reg force personnel they will still need people to do these (traditionally) full-time jobs, hence the backfill.
Although units go over, they still need a support infrastructure at home for these troops, and future members as well.
But here, there are non-deploying units for the training and recruiting and those things. Those units do not go anywhere, so no need to backfill any vacancies.
To keep it simple, lets say right now I am supported by Finance, Food, Supplies, Vehicles, and Ammunition. When my unit deploys, the food, supply, ammunition, and vehicle units that support us all leave too. So now we still have all the support we had before. And since, they only support my unit, there is no unit left in the rear in need of support. So no back filling required.
The finance support stays back home and continues to support from back in the states. Everything is direct deposit, so all that stuff is still handled back in the states. And, since they did not deploy, no backfilling is needed there.
Anyway, I understand what you’re saying, there’s always a few vacancies here or there to be filled. But the Army has made things very efficient to avoid these issues.
Easy, no gays allowed.
If that rule is ever changed, then:
If the gay couple had a legal adoption that listed both of them as parents, then one can get drafted and one is exempt.
If the gay couple live as parents, but legally only one of them is the Guardian, then that one is exempt because he or she is a sole provider. Single parents are exempt. The partner is not exempt and can be drafted.
If it’s a homo or hetero divorced couple with dual custody, then it works the same as a married couple.
I should start an “Ask Me to Make US Policy” thread.