Driving Standard

Now, if there’s already a thread like this, I apologize…I want to learn how to drive standard!!! I feel like learning how to drive stick shift will only lead me a step into manhood (jokes):smiley:

I’ve been reading up on it online and it really doesn’t seem that hard. Press the shift pedal-change gear-press gas. Hmmn… but I was reading about downshifting and it says don’t downshift to first…WHY?

-Also, what if you wanna go really fast…can you like be pressing the gas and shifting at the same time? of do we have to alternate between shift and gas? The hill seems to be the biggest challenge (or so I read)…little worried about that.

-If there’s no ‘park’ gear in the stick shift, the parking brake is enough to stop it from say, rolling down a hill?

I would seriouly like to learn but I just don’t have any friends that own a stick shift car…grrrrr…but I do plan to learn eventually so if any of you have any tips, that would help alot!!! Thanx

Reoch

What’s hard about learning to drive a standard transmission is getting the timing down. The only way to learn is to get out there and do it. Practice makes perfect. You can’t learn it from a web page or a book.

Good luck!

This is one of those things that will become pretty obvious when you start driving. First is geared very low, to give you enough power to get the car rolling. Typically you don’t want to shift down into first unless you’re going very, very slowly, or else the engine will complain.

You can, but it’s geneally a bad idea to get into the habit. It causes more wear on the clutch. Once you’re used to shifting smootly and expiditiously, you’ll find there’s no real reason to gun it while the clutch is in.

Not a big deal. After a little practice, you’ll learn the exact point where the clutch engages. The only time you’ll probably have trouble is when you think you’ve got it in first and really it’s in third! You can sometimes get away with starting in third if you’re on a level, but on a hill, you’ll kill the engine every time–which isn’t the end of the world, but it can be pretty frustrating until you figure out the problem!

Leaving it in first or reverse is probably enough–the parking brake is just extra security. My parking brake is wonky, and I never use it . . . but I do avoid parking on hills.

The best way to learn is with a patient coach, i.e. with my mom :), and not with my dad after he’s had a couple of beers. :wink: I learned how to drive a stick in an afternoon. After all, it’s something lots and lots of people know how to do, so how hard can it be? Now, a friend of mine learned how to drive in a car with a standard transmission! Can you imagine what a nightmare that would be?

a) obtain car

b) have SOMEONE ELSE drive it and you to EMPTY parking lot

c) enjoy!

(and, yes, you can cheat a hill by using the parking brake - but a REAL MAN [sup]TM[/sup] would NEVER resort to such a wimpy manuver.) :wink:

In my experience, buying a standard car and taking a few standard driving lessons is the best way to go. Here’s a few things I’ve learned:

  • clutch and gas are opposites. Ease off clutch, ease on gas. And vicy versy.

  • take happyheathen’s advice - head to a deserted parking lot, and just spend the first half hour easing off and on the clutch into first. This is the hardest part of standard driving. After you’ve made it into first without stalling, the rest is gravy.

  • find a deserted hill and practice easing into first up and down the hill. That way you shouldn’t panic (as much) when you come to your first stoplight on a hill in real traffic.

  • driving a stick is FUN!!! Learn to do it as soon as possible (especially if you’re a girl - guys like girls who can handle a stick - wink wink, nudge nudge). It gives you a real feeling of being involved in the driving, not just being taken somewhere by your car.

  • cheating on a hill with a parking brake? I wouldn’t even know how. Part of the fun of driving a standard is rocking and rolling on a hill.

According to the boy on Car Talk, the best way to learn on a stick-shift is to ignore the gas pedal all together (when pulling away from a dead stop on a level surface. A decently tuned car SHOULD be able move at idle speed, so NOT using the gas will give you a better feel for exactly where the clutch engages.

My dar (and most, I imagine) has interlocks that prevent:

  1. downshifting from 5th or 3rd into reverse by mistake.
  2. downshifting to 1st until below 10mph.

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-If there’s no ‘park’ gear in the stick shift, the parking brake is enough to stop it from say, rolling down a hill?

Ok this really confused me. I drive a stick, and if you don’t use your parking brake (otherwise known as the emergency brake I believe) on a hill, your car goes down it. Maybe I just don’t understand what you mean.

Not if you time it right and give just enough gas. What they are referring to is the (IMHO) wimpy habit of using the emergency brake to compensate for the inability to shift on a hill.

Another call for ‘find a big deserted parking lot to practice in’. (Deserted so that you won’t have people laughing at you. ;)) And your passenger can drive you home again if you haven’t quite gotten the hang of it.

Also, I prefer putting the car into 1st instead of reverse when parking… but then, we have an old car that if you have it in reverse, the backup lights come on. Even if the car isn’t running. (Dad killed the battery a few times doing that…)

Hmm. Only other thing I can think of is that your left leg is going to get a workout doing this, since while you’re practicing you’ll be shifting a lot more than you would during normal driving. Be prepared for muscle soreness, etc.


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I don’t see how it’s “wimpy”. I think it’s responsible. But, I guess people are going to do what’s comfortable to them. shrug

You will be well loved in Greece! They do the same thing!! Unfortunatly, I’ve been hit by one “rocking and rolling” (no injuries or bruises or anything though). Course I probably shouldn’t have been walking around stopped cars on a hill…eheheheheheheh…

Bryanda- I was referring to parking.:slight_smile:
I never hold my car on the hill or use the emergency brake, I just use the regular brake and switch fast. It keeps me from stalling out, and makes sure that the people behind me know that I’m not going anywhere.

Waitaminute…some of you people put the e-brake on when,say, stopped at a red light at the top of the hill? That seems weird to me. I just have brake and clutch pushed in, and quickly go to the gas and let put the clutch. THAT’S how you learn how not to stall a car, cause no one wants to be rolling down a hill backwards!

(Of course, doing this, I always get nervous when idiots stop too close behind me, seeing as I will roll back a little bit. You can always spot the person who is used to a stick shift this way, they give people a lot of room on the hills :))

the hand brake while stopped on an uphill is a trick I learned, but never used (after the 1st try or 2). Yes, it stops you from rolling back, but you still have to learn to coordinate clutch, barke and gas to avoid stalling. Using your handbrake gives your feet one less pedal to worry about, so it might be helpful for the first time or two, but since you have to learn to routinely use all three pedals anyway, don’t make it a habit.

A couple other things I learned: if you are stopped uphill, and somebody is creeping up to close to your butt (remember, a lot of people who drive automatics don’t have to worry about slipping back a few inches), let loose your brake and slide back a bit. Get them to stop short and leave you a little room. Be careful about this, I’m not talking about somekind of chicken game in reverse, and don’t do it if they are too close.

Hijack/ brake clutch question. I have friends tells me that downshifting comes from the earlier days when brakes wore out faster. That brakes have improved to the point where, today, downshifting puts more stress on the clutch than it saves on the brakes. Anybody else heard this? I still downshift. /hijack

I think there are two questions going on here.
The first is how to make start on a hill with a standard shift car and the second is how to park same on a hill.
IMHO on the first switching from the brake to the gas is not terribly smooth, and can lead to stalling the engine, and or rolling backward. here is the method I was taught and what is used by truck drivers and other people that do this stuff for a living. With you foot on the brake move the clutch out until the egine rpm just starts to drop (look at tach or listen to engine) ease off brake. if the car starts to roll backward let off the clutch just a hair. If the car starts to creep forward push in a hair. This point of equiblirim is called the friction point. You can hold a car at the friction point on all but the most severe hills without any onther inputs. On an extreme grade a small amout of gas may be needed. When it is time to pull away, add some gas, and let off on the clutch pedal, away you go. some extra care may be necessary when pulling away as you are going up hill.
For Parking on a hill, the parking brake should hold the car, but many (most?) drivers leave the car in gear. With the engine off the compression of the engine will tend to hold the car in place. Word of Warining If you are parked nose down the hill, use first gear, nose up the hill use reverse. As gravity will continue to pull on the car. The engine may over time turn slightly, if you are in the wrong gear the engine will turn in the wrong direction. On some cars turning the engine backward could cause the timing belt to jump when the car is restarted. This is not a good thing.
Hope this helps.

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The gearstick: This is the easiest of the new controls to learn. Know where the gears go, and notch it through a couple of times, and you’ve got it. In a traditional H-pattern shift, if you get flustered, and forget which gear you’re in, just put it in neutral (easy to find), and let go. It will spring back to a central position (between third and fourth in most cars). Then you’ll be able to find your gear.

The clutch: This is the “tricky” bit that everybody gives you horror stories about. It’s the thing that’ll have you kangaroo-hopping about the parking lot on your first lesson, making you want to just give up and go back to an automatic car. Don’t be put off. It’s tricky, and yet it’s not. The concept is simple, it just engages and releases the connection between the engine and the wheels. Get out there and learn it. A couple of hours of frustration, and then something in your brain will ‘click’, and you’ll have it mastered. You won’t be able to do it at all, and then suddenly you’ll be good at it -just like riding a bike. Don’t give up on it. And try not to choose an instructor who will get upset if you stall his or her engine. You will a few times.

When you get good at clutchwork, you’ll find that you can it to control the speed of the car at low speeds (in first or reverse) on driveways, etc.

The hand brake (or parking or emergency brake -and yes, it’s sometimes foot-operated): I don’t like the term “emergency brake” because it’s more than that. It’s designed for daily use. Use it. When parking a car (either auto or manual), the primary anti-roll mechanism should be this brake. “Park” in an automatic, or 1st and reverse gears in a manual are only secondary measures, should the hand brake fail. Apply the hand brake and let it take the strain before you leave the car in gear.

Another word on hand brakes: I consider myself a good driver (don’t we all?), and as such I don’t like to let my car roll back a single inch when starting off on a hill. There’s no shame in using the hand brake, whatever the macho crowd says.

Upshifting: Steady and smooth does it. While you’re learning, it’s better to pull the clutch out too slowly than too quickly. Too slowly, and worst is the engine will “flare” a bit. Too fast and you’re stalled at the green light with Mr Smalldick behind you honking his SUV’s twin mega-airhorns.

Ask the owner of the car you’re using what speeds you should change up to each gear, and don’t feel silly if you have to watch the speedometer at first. Later, you’ll just subconsciously know when to change -possibly by hearing the engine note. I live in a metric part of the world, so if you were learning in my car, I’d tell you “2nd at 20kmh, 3rd at 40, 4th at 60, and 5th at 80”. It’s only a rough guide, as load and hills have an effect on it.
Downshifting: It’s recommended that you use your brakes alone to slow the car in normal driving conditions. I’d like to say I do this, but I must admit to downshifting sometimes for this purpose because it’s FUN. Also, I can blame my girlfriend when the clutch wears out.

The accelerator: Generally speaking, *off * the gas when you’re shifting. Left foot down, right foot up, change gear, then left foot up, right foot down. This can be surprisingly difficult to get use to at first.

The car: It’s better, IMHO, to learn manual driving in a bigger car. The larger, more powerful engines are more forgiving if you find yourself in the wrong gear. Diesels are better still. Small cars can often demand precise and frequent shifting, though that might be an argument for learning in one.

Go out there, practice, and have fun. Driving a “real” car is fun. And it ain’t that hard. Shit, I can do it.

Damn, thanx for all your advice…seems like everyone had a hard time at first so I won’t feel like a dumbass if I stall or something… and yea, as soon as I find someone w/ a standard car, I’m all for learning at a EMPTY parking lot…like a 2am walmart :smiley:
Downshifting seemed to be the big topic here so I guess I’ll take all you guys advice to heart and figure out how to work it. I hope by the time I get my own car, I would be able to get a manly standard shift car…YEA!!! Thanx for all your advice!!

Reoch

I learned how to drive on a standard! Yes, just a short 17 months ago my dad took me out in his 1987 Toyota Tercel to drive for the first time.

Yes, it was rough considering I had NEVER been on the road before! When we got home the smell of burning clutch was so bad that we had to leave the garage open for days. :o

Buuuuut… It got a lot easier. Personally I purposely try to get red lights on hills just so I can impress my passengers with clutch work. You’ll stall often while just learning. Heck, I still stall at least once a month. You’ll have a lot of fun learning, but the real fun is driving; it makes you feel like you’re in some kind of a video game rather than the car driving for you.

Re: Parking
I was always taught that if the car is in gear, it will not roll. The emergency brake was not necessary. A nice backup - but totally unneeded. And I’ve found that to be true. (Even though I still do use the emergency brake). My current car will not let you remove the keys from the ignition unless it’s in reverse.

Was I completely misinformed?

Don’t give up on learning to drive a stick! It is way more fun than an automatic, except for if you do most of your driving inching along in the city traffic jams or in construction. Don’t worry about stalling it…plan on it. You will stall. I personally learned how to drive a manual on a car with a dead battery, so every time I stalled it I had to push start it. A great motivator to learn fast!

I learned to use the mph as a rough guide to what gear I should be in…2nd at 20, 3rd at 30, 4th at 40, etc. This is just a rough guide, when you learn how the car feels you can alter it. Usually you would shift on the high side of those numbers (except for maybe 2nd).

My emergency brake on my last car was broken so I never used it at all. You don’t need to, it’s just what you prefer. As for using the emergency brake to park with an automatic, well, I’ve never been told to do that unless on a steep hill. (I have several mechanic friends.) Personally, the only time I use the e-brake is to do donuts in the snow.