I was under the impression that, if she’s too drunk to consent, it was already considered rape.
Moooommyy, I wanted the V****eal…
Yep, if she’s drunk or drugged, she can’t give consent. Even if she voluntarily put herself in that state. She can agree to sex when she’s sober, but not when she’s under the influence. And I’m pretty sure that when she’s sober, she can’t agree to have sex after she gets drunk, because the circumstances change.
Policy wherever I’ve worked is dirt simple: cut him/her off. In fact the FAA regs prohibit serving an intoxicated person, period, amen. Once they’re not acting civilized, the party is over.
Whatever problems you’ll incite with the cutoff decision can either be had after he/she’s had X drinks, or X + a couple more. Earlier is better.
Drunks / druggies can make a mess. They can break a few teeth or blacken an eye or two. Their’s or somebody else’s. They can ruin the ambiance or delay the flight for the other 100-300 people. What they can’t do is escape. Or cause serious damage. Enough pax will, with crew encouragement, sit on them until we get them under control & get the jet on the ground & give the problem child to the local constabulary.
Maybe he thought he was acting out a Judge Judy book.
C’mon, all they had to do was throw the guy out the plane :D, at least it would’ve been that much lighter :D. How in the hell did he just walk away from this?! I highly doubt it was just the alcohol, I’ve been really wasted before, and if I’m so drunk I don’t know where or what I’m wizzing on, 90% of the time I’ll throw up long before I get to a restroom. People just can’t hold their liquor anymore…shame really, my distant brothers back in Ireland could teach this clown a thing or two, and being underaged is no excuse for not being in control, not in my book it’s not.
You get wasted a lot more easily on an aircraft in flight due to the lower air pressure. It’s possible he may have taken other drugs as well.
Also, while it’s terrible he peed on a little girl, I think the people on this board are overreacting. I am possitive that he probably didn’t know where he was and peed where he thought the toilet was. I’ve seen people do this dozens of times in college.
But he’s NOT Judge Judy and executioner!
Simple solution. Stop serving booze on the flights and don’t let drunks board the plane.
Sat next to a guy a few months ago. One of the first things he says to us is “I just had two beers. Do you think I can take a Vicodin?” He proceeded to take several pills throughout the flight, and somehow schmooze the flight attendants for two free cocktails. No peeing on people to report.
Oh yeah? Maybe convince them to stop charging baggage fees, and lower their flight costs? There’s a reason they sell $5-6 cheap beers and well drinks.
I doubt that someone could be drunk enough to walk under their own power and mistake a little girl for a urinal. I can believe he was drunk enough not to care.
Even if he had made an innocent mistake (which I can believe, actually - I’ve seen it happen) he should have been apologetic afterwards if he were any kind of decent human being.
While I agree with you, there is still the question of how an 18yr got hold of the booze…
Exactly! I’ll believe he may have thought it to be something funny to do at the moment, maybe (really have to stretch my head for that one still). Honestly, I can’t believe the guy’s still alive, and I don’t know why the hell these kinds of things are taken so freaking lightly! What’s he gonna’ do next? Rape someone? He basically got off easy with that incident, he might think he can push the bar further next time.
Note that the second article in the OP makes it clear that he drank before boarding, “Vietze admitted to cops that he had consumed eight alcoholic drinks before boarding JetBlue Flight 166.” So the flight attendants didn’t serve him alcohol (although I wonder whether anyone noticed that he was that drunk prior to boarding).
You need to hang around with more drunks, then. My ex-husband once got up and walked into the closet. I realized what was about to happen and yelled at him and shoved him into the bathroom. He had no memory of this.
Why did I know what was going to happen? Because a month earlier he had walked into our baby daughter’s room and stood at the side of her bed and peed on the floor. When I found the puddle and the wet rug in the morning, I was totally mystified until I realized what the liquid was. Again, he had no memory of what he had done.
What is it about budget airlines that encourage the drunks?
Overreacted? Obviously, you’re not a parent. ESPECIALLY not a parent of a little girl.
In college, you are around a bunch of other students, many on their own for the first time in their lives. You expect to see students behaving like idiots.
I probably would have torn him to pieces with my bare hands. And I’m an old lady. If this jerk had done his nasty in front of my husband, I’d have to visit him in prison.
~VOW
I been around plenty of drunks that don’t remember what they did the next day. Why do you assume he wasn’t trying to pee in the closet?
Whether he knew what he was doing or not is completely irrelevant. If you choose to get wasted, then you are responsible for any and all of your actions while you are wasted.
If somebody shoots and kills somebody while tweaked on meth, does he get a free pass because he was tweaked?
Really the fact that he it was a little girl he peed on is irrelevant in my opinion. If he’d peed on ME being drunk wouldn’t have stopped him from feeling me stuffing his penis into his own mouth.
If you want to get drunk and obnoxious in your own home, or even in a bar have at it, but in the rest of the world the your right to be an ass ends when it infringes upon the rights of others.