About 95% of the time I have no reason to question someone after I’ve arrested them. If I already know what you’ve done that I’ve arrested you for, why would I need to question you?
Okay. To clarify, what percentage of your arrests involving pre-arrest questioning do you cite Miranda?
Okay, the point of my original post was to let the OP know that being arrested for a DUI isn’t always as easy as being put in a drunk tank with drunks then released on recognizance in a couple hours or by the next morning. They can detain you in jail with other detainees arrested for other offenses for up to 48 hours on “probable cause” which involves a group strip search and anal cavity check. And they can apparently transfer you in a chain gang to a medium security prison before any trial or finding of guilt if they’re having overcrowding issues or just want to be mean-spirited about it.
The subsequent discussion of Miranda and the facts of my case was initiated by other posters.
I haven’t been on the road for a while. When I was it was very close to 0%. In patrol almost all arrests are on view or due to readily apparent evidence. Even with the DWIs you keep bringing up most of the evidence does not come from any questions. It’s from evidence seen by the officer beginning with how the vehicle was operated. Remember, for Miranda to be required there has to be both a reasonable suspicion and custodial detention. Unlike on TV Miranda does not come into play all that often for the road cop. I’m a detective and I have to use it quite often.
Very jurisdictionally dependent. In my state DWIs are not treated like criminal arrests. You are only kept in custody long enough to be processed. Then you can leave as soon as you get someone to pick you up. You are only kept at the station if you can’t or refuse to get someone to pick you up. It’s a liability issue to let a drunk walk out the front door. But you are certainly not strip searched or cavity searched or even put in a cell. The quicker we get rid of you the better.
I sure can. Don’t know about you. I’ve never been arrested for it, but I confess I have been.
As of last year people are still arrested for public drunkenness in Tennessee. My brother for one, at least every few months.
Since 2007 I’ve been on patrol part-time (24 hours per week). Prior to that I was full time with another agency and retired with pension after 25 years. I was in the patrol sector for 21 years and then my last 4 years there I was in the bureau, but as an alcohol compliance investigator. I wasn’t the guy who would be assigned to a homicide case or an armed robbery. But on occasion I did have to interrogate someone over thefts and such if it was related to what I was doing, or if I had to jack up a cabaret license holder that was caught having minors stripping. At one point of my career I got into a trick bag and was yanked off the road for almost 2 years and had to work in the jail.
Sorry for the resume, but there is a point to it: Adding up all my 32 years, I would say regardless of how any incident started or stopped, whether or not I questioned someone before arrest, all together only about 5% of the time have I ever read someone Miranda. That’s it. Only about 5%. And I’ve never had something tossed because I didn’t Mirandize.
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Wha…??? Huh ???
Please do tell. I have no idea what this is about.
If you want to.
I’m just real curious… 
Supported the wrong guy in the election. As long as you receive your pay grade per seniority they can assign you to whatever they want.
You must have really worked hard for the other guy as is there anything worse they could have done to you?
In that particular election, so as to keep the same higher ups in play, about how many got that result from backing the non-winner and what was the range of punishment?
( Acknowledging that personal problems with immediate supervisors could make your situation worse than another who did just as much as you but had a good, strong supervisor who liked him & ran interference for him/her. )
Is this something that is found a lot in many parts of the country or just a rare thing and you were in the wrong, state, city ???
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when your boss is an elected official you have a couple options. Don’t vote at all and keep your mouth shut, don’t vote at all and voice your opinion, vote for him or vote against him and keep your mouth shut either way, vote for him or against him and voice your opinion, or volunteer to work on a campaign.
If you choose the last option you better hope your guy wins. Because if he doesn’t there is a solid chance you’ll get reassigned to a crummy position at least for a while. That’s politics and to the winner go the spoils.
That seems like a common problem at the county level when you work for an elected Sheriff.
Thanks guys. That splains a lot for me.
Sorry you have had to work under those situations…
Makes being the 'Lone Ranger’™ look like a smart move… he he he
Color me dumb, but I don’t get it.
It depends on the conditions of employment. For instance I was hired under a collective bargaining agreement. I can not be fired arbitrarily. They have to abide by the contract and their rules and regulations. At the county level things are a bit different. Unlike my Chief the sheriff is an elected official. Working for him are two different types of employees, civil servants and appointees. It varies by county but usually the deputies/sheriff’s officers are hired off of civil service tests. Investigators are appointees. Appointees have to back the right horse in the race or they could find themselves out of a job.
We had a union contract. But as long as you were paid your grade scale per your seniority they could assign you to any position. So a detective could end up working floor control in the jail if he had pissed off the wrong person. And yes, under the current ass-clown that did happen.
In a non-LEO industrial field with a union, I recall a similar discussion. Some boss suggested, if the guy annoys you, then you can pay him his set union rate but give him the job of cleaning the portable toilets. The HR person said that this did not work - if there was any hint of discrimination, retaliation, or harassment in job assignments, they would be violating some union contract rule to assign jobs fairly. Regularly assigning someone demeaning jobs for no valid reason was not allowed.
Obviously your union contract lacked this safeguard.
Was just saying that then you could still be a good guy making bad guys toe the line but without having to have a boss.
Injecting some humor I thought. :dubious: Oh well, no big deal, I do come from left field sometimes. 
Luckily on a municipal department like this there aren’t that many punishment posts. No jail or court to take care of. All our positions have their advantages and disadvantages. Want to take me out of the detective bureau and put me back on the road? Ok, it will be an adjustment. But I’ll be making a lot more money. Put me on midnights? Ok, but in a couple of months my seniority will let me go to whatever shift I want. A friend of mine who works for a county that does patrol work (not all of them do in this state) says that if someone pisses off the wrong guy they’ll get taken off the road and put in the court house. Most likely in the parking garage guarding the judge’s car. Which will also cost them a lot of money since there is no overtime.
There were 2 different sections to working courts here. If you were in the actual court house, while it’s boring it guaranteed having weekends and holidays off, not a given regardless of rank/seniority in other law enforcement circles.
Court Intake Unit was another story. While it ran almost 365 days a year it closed at 5pm. So it was a strictly 1st shift no mandatory overtime gig. Neither were overly terrible.