Dual EC Citizenship

[Tripler]

*Originally posted by sailor *
**I am totally baffled by this which appears to me to be a non sequitur. How is this relevant? What am I missing? **

It was an attempt to redirect the thread back to the OP.

** Can you explain how? because, as far as I can see he does not fall under any of the categories. Please explain your reasoning because I do not follow you. **

Well of course you don’t know what categories he falls under because all we know is that he has a birth certificate. As proved with a $200k lawsuit over McDonald’s coffee in a ladies crotch, anything can be done with good litigation.

Oh, but that’s a generalization. I’m sure you’ll nitnoid that to death too. :rolleyes:

C’mon. Let’s help the poor guy out here.

Tripler
Back to the OP. . .

[sailor]

*Originally posted by Tripler *
It was an attempt to redirect the thread back to the OP.

I still don’t get it. Can you explain it? You said “you do not automatically lose your US Citizenship by being born to US Citizens overseas”. I really must be missing something. How can you “lose” your citizenship by being born overseas? The worst that could happen is that you did not acquire it but it would be impossible to lose it. Did anybody say such thing? It is not a question asked in the OP at all. He has no doubt of his American citizenship. What am I missing? I still don’t get it.

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Well of course you don’t know what categories he falls under because all we know is that he has a birth certificate.

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We know a bit more than that and we have no reason to believe he falls under any of the categories. Saying you can just go and litigate without any merit is just silly.

As proved with a $200k lawsuit over McDonald’s coffee in a ladies crotch, anything can be done with good litigation.

I am sure that is plenty relevant to a judge in Spain: “Your honor, I am entitkled to Spanish citizenship because a lady in America got $200K for spilling coffee over her crotch”. :rolleyes:

Oh, but that’s a generalization. I’m sure you’ll nitnoid that to death too. :rolleyes:

We deal with factual answers here and yours are begging to be nitpicked. Either the OP fulfils the requirements or he doesn’t. Saying “get a good lawyer” is not a factual answer and is not much help. Providing the factual information about who is entitled to Spanish citizenship and how is what I did and what I consider the factual answer to the factual question.

C’mon. Let’s help the poor guy out here.

Give me a factual break.

[First_Amongst_Daves]

*Originally posted by sailor *
**In other words, you are making it up. Here’s another bare assertion for you: I’m pretty sure you are wrong (again). **

So as well as being obnoxious, you’re also calling me a liar. You’ve yet to provide me with proof positive that I’m wrong on the issue of right of abode creating a right to PRC citizenship. Your hectoring is tiresome.

Still, you raised doubts in my mind, so I checked French citizenship:

http://www.southern-cross-group.org/anothercitizenship/france.html

Children born within the territory of France with at least one French parent are French by birth under French citizenship law. Children born in France to two non-French parents acquire French citizenship when they turn 18 if the following two conditions have been fulfilled:

they must be currently resident in France at the time of application; and

they must have lived at least 5 years (continuously or discontinuously) in France since the age of 11.

So then I checked out Germany:

As of January 1, 2000, a child born in Germany to non-German parents automatically acquires German citizenship at birth by jus soli if: (1) at least one parent had lived legally in Germany for at least eight years prior to the birth; (2) at the time of the birth, that parent had a permanent residence permit (either an Aufenthaltsberichtigung or, for the three years prior to the birth, an unbefristete Aufenhaltserlaubnis). Note that:

a. The child must choose between German nationality and the nationality of his/her parents before he/she turns 23 years of age, unless it is legally impossible for him/her to give up his/her parents’ nationality, in which case he/she must apply to the German authorities for dual nationality before turning 21.

b. Special rules apply to children born between February 2, 1990, and December 31, 1999, who have until December 31, 2000, to apply for German citizenship.

c. Those born in Germany to non-German parents before February 2, 1990, have no claim to German citizenship under this law.

d. For more information, please contact your local Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde or the nearest office of the Ausländerbeirat (Foreigners Advisory Council).

2 from 2. So I checked out Spain, which after all was the OP:

http://www.spain-visas.com/Spanish-Citizenship-and-Spanish-Nationality-pag7.htm

WHO CAN CHOOSE TO BE SPANISH?

People whose relationship or birth in Spain has been determined after the age of 18. The period for this option is of two (2) years beginning from the coming of age.

Some of these are subject to caveats on living abroad, voluntarily acquiring another nationalisty, etc.

I guess, sailor, that means you are wrong, on both Spain and Germany. Perhaps you were the one making it up…?

[Tusculan]

It is true that Germany has recently (as was pointed out) modified its nationality law. However, I should also point out that I’ve heard that many EU countries have tightened their requirements, which can already be gleaned from the quotes in this thread.

It is hardly ever the case that the mere fact of being born in the country makes you a national citizen, or even gives you the option of becoming a citizen. There are mostly additional requirements, such as

• residence for a number of years,
• legal residence (as opposed to being in the country illegally).

Furthermore, as the last quote shows, there often is a limited time window in which you can apply.

Getting back to the OP, this means that it is not prima facie clear whether he can apply for Spanish citizenship. Given the paucity of facts he supplied there is no way to ascertain that properly.

[sailor]

*Originally posted by The God of Muesli Bars *
I guess, sailor, that means you are wrong, on both Spain and Germany. Perhaps you were the one making it up…?

No, every single cite proves I was right and not one of those countries grants citizenship by the mere act of being born on their soil. Not a single one. And everybody else in this thread understands that except you. I am tired of this ridiculous exchange. If you want to continue we can do it in the pit where I can explain things to you more clearly. Just let me know if you are interested in my offer.

[clairobscur]

*Originally posted by The God of Muesli Bars *
**You have picked the two EU countries I don’t know about (plus Portugal). All the rest of the EU countries, plus Norway, to the best of my knowledge allow citizenship to people born in their borders.

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Not France. At least not anymore, since the immigration and citizenship laws have been stiffened a dozen years ago. AFAIK, if you were born in France you must also now have lived here for a given number of years (I can’t remember how many) and request the french citizenship (and you can only do so for some years after your 18th birthday) instead of it being granted automatically.

Supposedly that has been enacted in order to limit the number of mothers who used to enter France ilegally or legally and give birth to their child on french soil, so that the child would have the french citizenship and the parents a recidency permit.

[clairobscur]

OK. Once again I should have read the whole thread, since another poster had already given a more comprehensive answer concerning France.

[First_Amongst_Daves]

*Originally posted by sailor *
**No, every single cite proves I was right and not one of those countries grants citizenship by the mere act of being born on their soil. Not a single one. And everybody else in this thread understands that except you. I am tired of this ridiculous exchange. If you want to continue we can do it in the pit where I can explain things to you more clearly. Just let me know if you are interested in my offer. **

Go for it, kid.

[wooba]

*Originally posted by sailor *
**I have picked the only country relevant to the OP and another one at random. You say the majority of countries in Europe and the world grant citizenship by birth on their soil? I doubt it. Please show me evidence that Switzerland grants it because I do not believe it does. The UK? I did some digging to support my assertion, do I have to do it all? Will you please show some support for your assertion? Let’s see Switzerland, the UK, France and a couple more countries of your choosing. In the meanwhile I believe the general rule is that countries consider newborns to be of the citizenship of their parents. **

Just wanted to point out that Switzerland is not a member of the EU.

[ruadh]

Anyone born in Ireland - north or south - can claim Irish citizenship (cite). It’s a controversial policy and its opponents frequently claim that it is unique in western Europe. I’m not about to go looking up all the other countries’ laws, but I’ve never seen that claim challenged.

[sailor]

*Originally posted by wooba *
Just wanted to point out that Switzerland is not a member of the EU.

I never said it was but while we’re pointing out the obvious I’ll point out that Mexico isn’t a member of the EU either… . . Who’s next?

[wooba]

*Originally posted by sailor *
**I never said it was but while we’re pointing out the obvious I’ll point out that Mexico isn’t a member of the EU either… . . Who’s next? **

The person that you were disputing specifically said EU. You asked for evidence about Switzerland even though they never claimed any knowledge about countries outside of the EU, except for Norway.

[sailor]

*Originally posted by wooba *
The person that you were disputing specifically said EU. You asked for evidence about Switzerland even though they never claimed any knowledge about countries outside of the EU, except for Norway.

No, we were talking about the entire whole wide world:

Originally posted by sailor:
Most countries do not grant citizenship to those born there from foreign parents. The USA is an exception to the rule.

Originally posted by The God of Muesli Bars

With most European countries, I understood being born there gets you citizenship, as does Australia and New Zealand.

In Hong Kong, if you are Chinese ethnicity, being born there can get you right of abode (equivalent of citizenship).

Japan and most Arab countries follow paternity (there are 3rd generation people of Korean heritage born in Japan who cannot get Japanese citizenship). With African and South American countries, I have no idea.

So it turns out we were talking about the world and not about any specific country or about the EU. He said with “most European countries” which I would say includes Switzerland. He was wrong. And so are you. Just read the thread.

[wooba]

Whatever… I know what I read and have read again… no point filling up the thread with nonsense…

I was clearly just trying to be helpful, there is no need to be snarky…