Dubya says Iraq pullout is up to "future presidents".

This obviously doesn’t belong in the other Dubya bashing thread because it deserves its own thread.
Wow, for the last few years, Dubya was hyping the fact that we freed the Iraqi people, brought democracy to their country, made it possible for the Iraqi people to have free elections and let’s not forget the famous “Mission Accomplished” arm-chair patriot self-congratulatory strutting across the aircraft carrier victory “dance”.
So, what happened? Now that Iraq has all this freedom we just can’t leave? Saddam Hussein has been ousted and Iraq has had new elections. Time to go wouldn’t you say?
From the Boston Globe:

Well, his enthusiasm has certainly cooled down about 400% (or more) wouldn’t you say?

Here’s a good Dubya quote ''No president wants war". Of course not. That’s why he joined the Texas National Guard back in the 1960’s.

So is this Bush’s admission that Iraq is a quagmire? And talk about mexed missages – just two days ago, (Republican) Senator John Warner went to Iraq to tell al-Jaafari to stop dawdling, because our patience is not infinite.

Note he didn’t say combat would continue under future presidents, just that troop pullout wouldn’t happen under his presidency.

We still have troops in Germany and Korea. I doubt they see much combat, but they’re still there.

If I were this administration, I’d take a page from Cecil and declare:

“Bush: Fighting terrorism since 2001. It’s taking longer than we thought.”

…And leave it at that.

Most of the holdover news from this morning about the press conference focused on that particular gem.*

Actually, when I heard him say it in context, I though he was talking about future Iraqi presidents, but given the coverage of this particular nugget for the past 24 hours, I would have expected McLellan to come out with a clarification by now.

If he really did mean that he could not see pulling out significant numbers of troops within the next three years, I’m astounded (although I shouldn’t be, at this point) at his complete lack of apparent contrition about this colossal mistake.

What amazed me was that he tried to counter a question from a reporter he called “Helen” regarding the real reason for the Iraq invasion. Given this opportunity to come clean (the stated purpose of his recent bout of open-questioning) he gave the same tired crap about how Sadaam was told to disarm, blah blah blah. Does ANYONE believe any of that shit anymore?

NPR of all sources, commented he appeared relaxed in the face of tough questioning. What conference were THEY watching? I’ve never seen a man look so much like he hoped someone would come along and peel his head, and soon.

*The rest of it focused on Bush’s use of what has already become a worn Bush-supporter saw about how the media is focused only on reporting about attacks and not at all about any positive change.

Tim Russert pointed out on Today this morning that the two most lingering media-reported images from Iraq so far are the toppling of Sadaam’s statue and the Iraqis raising their purpled thumbs with democratic pride.

One of their reporters showed some footage of when they tried to report on the opening of a school, only to be interrupted by an explosion so close that you could see it rattle dust off the walls.

He also countered Bush’s claims that the media are pawns to publicity-savvy insurgents, who are planning their attacks to maximize coverage, with the claim that most atacks are happening at night, and most are happening far from population centers.

At least in Korea they are there to keep the North Koreans in order. Given that the Soviet Union disappeared a few years ago, perhaps it is time for the troops to come home from Germany.

What? And let fascism rear it’s ugly head once more? You must be joking.

Plus, somebody’s got to keep an eye on the Belgians…

Still, his skill at mendacity is lacking. Were he truly skilled, he could have evaded the point of the question as gracefully as a master bullfighter evades the horns executing a perfect veronica. Instead, he waggles the cape in front of himself and says “I dare you!”.

He claims to have been reluctantly dragged to war. Shades of Lincoln, to imagine The Leader agonizing over his grim duty, compelled against his better nature to war, having no recourse. Even as reasonable and open to compromise as he was, Saddam’s stubborn refusal to give up what he didn’t have left him with no option but war.

WTF? No, seriously, WTF?

Can anyone point to an action, statement, or suggestion that he ever actually entertained any other course? He suggests his mission to the United Natterers is evidence of such reluctance. He pretends to a somber respect for UN opinion, and drapes their legitimacy over his own shoulders. Why, yes, indeed, he did go to the UN to offer them the opportunity for fawning obedience. When this generous offer was spurned, he got rather shirty about it all, as I recall. Remember all that crapola about how he was determined to have “everybody’s cards on the table.”? Remember how long that lasted? Poof! Gone, never happened, down the memory hole.

Is he seriously trying to suggest that he carefully weighed UN opinion? He endlessly heaped scorn on the efforts of the UN inspection team, and when he ran out of scorn, he reached for the contempt. Is this the behavior of a man who gives due consideration to doubt? Or is it the behavior of a man on a set and determined course?

Remember the story from Woodward’s book? How GeeDubya leaned into Condi Rice’s and said “Fuck Saddam, we’re taking him out!” (Hearing The Leader say “Fuck” may be as close to an orgasmic experience as poor Condi has ever had, but I digress…)

The WH never denied it. Why? Because they liked it! They liked how it portrayed The Leader as gruff, manly, take charge kind of guy! So of course they didn’t deny it, hell, they loved it!

But now we are given to believe in a mournful and Lincolnesque G-dub, coerced by undeniable facts and stern duty. And Lord love a duck, he expects to get away with it!

If he was reluctantly dragged to war, then, pray, at what point did he regard the towering pile of half-truths, implausible conjectures and innuendo as incontrovertible proof? Was it after Colin Powell served a bullshit shit soufflé to the Security Council? It might well have been a convincing argument, if any of it were true. As well, there is abundant testimony from insiders that the trajectory towards war was set very early on, perhaps even before 9-11 realigned the Universal Nature of Reality.

And what about that last-minute offer from Saddam, by way of Richard Perle? The Mother of All Cave-ins, he offered to accept inspections by Americans, and just about everything else short of blowing a pig in Macy’s window. And this offer was spurned as being “not credible”. Was there some kind of risk in postponing the festivities for a few more days to be sure? Was Saddam trying to distract our attention while he unleased his horde of nuclear-anthrax armed unicorns? After months of this crap, its not like GW was launching a surprise attack. Maybe the offer was not credible, but a paltry gamble might have saved thousands of lives.

Yet he stands there, flat-footed and bare-faced, and tells us of his grave reluctance to shed the blood of the innocent (luckily, a mere 30,000. Or so. Hard to get reliable numbers, dontcha know? You could pile up all the arms and legs blown off and divide by four, but still….)

He’s either wholly mendacious, or he really believes the crap he says. I leave it to you which is the more terrifying prospect.

Helen Thomas deserves better than that. She’s been the doyenne of the White House press corps since, oh, the Coolidge Administration.

ISTM he really believes it, facts notwithstanding.

Outside the US, the photos were wider-angled, and showed that it was a US military operation with just a handful of locals watching with bemusement.

Not many Sunnis, though.

While there still is a brigade combat team in Germany (some 3500 troops), it’s a far cry from the 180,000 during the Cold War.

*QUESTION: It was: Will there come a day – and I’m not asking you when; I’m not asking for a timetable – will there come a day when there will be no more American forces in Iraq?

BUSH: That, of course, is an objective. And that will be decided by future presidents and future governments of Iraq.

QUESTION: So it won’t happen on your watch?

BUSH: You mean a complete withdrawal? That’s a timetable.

I can only tell you that I will make decisions on force levels based upon what the commanders on the ground say. *

Just for context.

It would surprise me if Bush, or any near future administration for that matter, diecided to pull out of Iraq completely. We kept a significant force in Saudi Arabia since the Gulf War and from what I understand is keeping a presence in the ME is a strategic interest for the US. I understand that moving our forces back to Saudi Arabia isn’t as desirable as it was after the Gulf War. I don’t see any president, dem or pub, removing forces from Iraq until it is decided the US no longer needs to be in the Middle East. What better position could we have to be a threat to Syria and Iran.

Oh, Lord, that comment brought this glurgy image I saw in a print shop back to active memory. Curse you!

Of course everyone looks at the ‘bad news’ side of this. What about the GOOD NEWS? Yesterday Mr. Bush implied that HE DOES NOT PLAN to be president forever.

You can’t deny the truthiness.

Considering his past history with his plans, this actually makes me more scared than ever. :eek:

For crying out loud, I can just see it if he had said he expected all forces to be out by the end of '08. If there was even one soldier left after that, we’d have a Pit thread on Jan 1, 2009 about how BUSH LIED!! I don’t know that he gave the best answer he could have to that question, but there’s nothing wrong with the one he gave. It’s consistent with his message of “no timetable” and it’s not something he can be called on later.

As for him calling Helen Thomas “Helen”, I don’t see what’s wrong with that. Don’t presidents usually call the press folk by their first names in this situation? And she was just trying to bait him. I thought he actually handled her question in a more civil way than I would have. She might have been the “doyenne” of the press corp years ago, but this Slate article from 2003 explains exactly why Bush has snubbed her in recent years. She can’t be called an objective journalist anymore.

If she wants to be an opinion writer, fine. Let her do that. But if she want’s to be a news reporter, she needs to keep her crabby opinions to herself.

When I read about this in the paper this morning all I could say was, “No shit.”

He puts it out there as if it’s news we won’t be leaving anytime soon, but I for one would really like some elucidation on just what he’ll be handing over to the next president.

“Well, yeah, it’s a big stinkin’ mess over there now, but I won’t hear about it as much once I’m back at the Ranch.”

I certainly get the feeling that if he were somehow elected to another three terms he’d still be saying the same thing.

“It’s up to them. I’m washing my hands of it.”

I’m frankly enraged at the frivolity with which he’s tossed about the power of his office. I know he’s been described as being a decision-maker who knows what he wants and does it quickly, but deos he even think about it first?

It sure as Hell doesn’t look like he gives anything much thought afterward.

Absolutely wrong. He has effectively now announced *half * of a timetable. Instead of saying the troop withdrawal date is indefinite, he’s now said that it will between 2009 and TBD.

More broadly, he’s said in effect that he has no real expectation of things becoming even shakily stable there as long as he’s in charge.

Great Og. I’d rather have the flu – no, make that bubonic plague – than look at that again.

Gee. I wonder what happened to:

Mission accomplished
The insurgency is in its last throes
We have turned the corner