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Der Trihs
All of us will die a physical death. He never promised to eliminate this. What he offers is an escape from spiritual death, which is a much bigger thing. In 100 years *all of us * here will be dead of cancer, war, murder, old age etc… he is taking care of what happens after that. Allowing us to stand blameless in front of God because Jesus assumed our place of punishment.
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I guess he could, what would you suggest?
Or on any rational list ( and I believe doing that to people’s quotes is against the rules ). The Crucifixion harmed the world, not helped it; it helped spread Christianity ( and indirectly, Islam ), which I consider history’s greatest single evil.
First, nothing that happened to Jesus or anyone else 2000 + years ago has any effect on my guilt ( guilt for what ? ) or lack thereof. Second, God has no right to punish me; it’s not his place. He’s an imaginary being, not a US judge and jury.
Howso?
If you are truly not-guilty of anything I think you are ok. I don’t think Jesus was familiar with the concept of “original sin”. If you are clean to stand before God, good on ya!
From your writing, I don’t think you believe God is not a real being. I think you are having difficulty reconciling your intellect with the faith of following Christ. At least you are searching.
If we were arguing the physics of Santa delivering toys to all the good boys and girls in one magical night, you wouldn’t put any energy beyond saying “Dude, Santa isn’t real” into the debate. But somehow the existance of an “imaginary” God is worthy of debate. Yet you are not able to just brush of the existanceof God in the way you would brush off the existance of Santa or the Easter Bunny. I don’t say this to debate really, actually I am glad for it.
The significance of three days is that, according to Jewish burial customs traced back to BCE times, the body began to rot on the 4th day. By saying Jesus rised up on the third day, it just shows that his body never went into decay (unlike Lazerus). In Mark’s Gospel, there isn’t even a resurrection scene to begin with.
As for Jesus dying for our sins, this isn’t exactly true. Many theologians say that Jesus died for the punishment of sins (death). According to Paul, if you believed in Jesus, you wouldn’t die a physical death. He then modified this idea after the first generation of Christians died off and said that believers would suffer physical death, but live eternally in Heaven. So, in a nutshell, Jesus died to save us from death.
Actually, how else would he communicate with us other than in ways a human can understand?
Why does he need to? He can do whatever he wants - he’s not limited to our understanding of events, he can just do it. And should he feel the need to make sure we know something, he can just make it so. Surely that’s the idea of omnipotency?
Please cite this from the bible.
He did. You just don’t like the way he did it I guess…
What ideas would you like him to communicate?
What is this “inner spiritual journey” that Jesus spoke of?
Well, no, the killing of one’s son doesn’t really seem to be the best mode of communication, in my book.
In this instance, it seems he sacrificed his son in order to remove our sin, and to show us how much he cares - which, surely, he could just tell us?
Do you really want a list of the evils done in the name of Christianity/Islam ? It’s not like they are obscure or anything.
I’m certainly innocent of any and all 2000 year all crimes, which are the only ones the death of Jesus could have relevance to; even then, the death of another would hardly absolve me of anything.
Oh, my disbelief in God/gods is quite firm. Even if he did exist, I wouldn’t follow him or regard him as anything but scum. Supernatural scum, but scum.
People oppress, torture and murder in the name of God, not Santa. That’s an important difference. When mall Santas start suicide bombing people who don’t believe in Santa, you’ll have a point.
“Stop hurting and killing people in my name” would be nice.
Why would sacrificing your son communicate anything other than how little you care, especially if you’re omnipotent ?
I think he is talking about the promise that Jesus would come back to reign eternally before the contemporary generation died…
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.’’ (Matt. 24:34)
"Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.’’ (Mark 13:30)
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.’’ (Luke 21:32)
However I think it has been found that the word for “generation” and “race” were mistranslated. Hopefully a greek speaker will be by shortly to verify.
This may NOT have been wha the was posting about anyway.
cosmosdan said:
Which myths are we talking about?
That’s an interesting take on things. I understand you no longer believe this. Do you remember where in the bible/how you came to this belief originally?
Well, I hope not. Because Hi, Neighbor! cited Paul, not Jesus. And that account says nothing to the statement that Hi, Neighbor! made.
These ideas are from Romans 5:12.
You called it
. Not to trot out a tired argument, but what God were Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and Hitler serving? None… Certainly people have used religion to glorify themselves and build their own kingdoms nathed in the blood of many wars and oppressive regimes…but we cannot lay this at the feet of God. If you give a man hammer and a saw and he chooses to use them to kill and dismember rather than build, you can’t blame the tools or the person who gave them to him…or can you?
Do you believe that God lives in linear time, each second ticking by dutifully after the one before it? I don’t believe I live in linear time. I think that it is entirely possible for my sins today to require Jesus’s blood 2000 years ago. YMMV.
So you think God is just as unreal as Santa? Well Santa came to my house last year and knocked some shingles off my roof with his damn flying reigndeer. I wrote a letter to him and he said he would leave me a check for the damages this year beside the milk and cookies. Will you debate the possibility of this scenario being real?
Now please explain how Romans 5:12 supports:
I simply don’t see any of those points in that simple [unexplained] cite.
They were serving the God of Communism, and it’s Prophet Marx. As I and others have said, Communism is a religion that doesn’t call itself a religion.
God’s experience of time doesn’t matter, because I live in linear time. That’s how I interact with the world, and that’s how my actions must be judged.
No; what would be the point ? It has no meaningful possibility of being true; neither does any religion.
I tend to agree. The whole story is sort of confused. If you believe the Gospel of John, Jesus knew all about God’s intention to send Him here for the express purpose of being sacrificed.
One of Communisms greatest tenets was that religion is the opiate of the masses. You are stretching credulity here…
This is the second time you have declared how you should be judged. So I guess you admit that you WILL be judged…yet the person on trial never decides how he will be tried. There are rules in place and the judge and jury will interpret them as they see fit. Do you think that Saddam Hussein’s refusal to recognize the court trying him will save him from the executioners bullet or noose?
Humor me. Explain why you believe Santa did not damage my roof? Do you think he is too careful a driver? Do you doubt he will pay for his damages when he returns this year? Do you doubt his ability to fly a team of reigndeer to my roof?