e-cigarettes. Which one?

I bought a starter kit for the Fin brand of e-cigs. What I like about it is it has nicotine in the cartridges and when you first use it after a period of “downtime” is it feels like you’re inhaling a real smoke. The problem I’ve found is after 4 or so puffs you lose that feeling and have to let it “rest” for a bit.

I use the 2.4 mg cartridges and I’ve been able to go 3 or 4 days at a time without real cigs, though I always go back for a pack or two. Probably psychological but I want to make sure I’m getting an adequate dose, and a real smoke just feels right for some reason. No, there is no logic behind it.

Anyway, I want to make sure I’m getting the best experience from these things but don’t want to lay out the cost of starter kits for the other brands, so I’d like some opinions if you’ve tried any others. (Blu, etc.)

Thanks.

I use Blu e-cigs and they’re okay. In general I’ve found that e-cigs just aren’t as satisfactory as a real cigarette. You don’t get that “bite” in your throat. And the cartridges do lose their strength after a very short time. I wouldn’t recommend them as a stop-smoking tool because of that, and also because you’re essentially trading one habit for another. But they do help me smoke less.

All the Walmart / Walgreens / convenience store ecigs are pretty much the same. You can order the starter kits from China for about $8 – and if you order 100 kits you can get them with your own brand on the packages. (Actually, you can get any brand you want on the packages; the business is flooded with counterfeits.)

The only convenience store ecig that stands out as being different from the rest is the Njoy King. It is disposable, not rechargeable, and it costs about $8. It is strong and produces a lot of vapor, but for that $8 it will only last about as long as one charge on your rechargeable device, and then you throw it away. It might be worth a try to see if a higher quality ecig will do what you want, but I think they are much too expensive for continued use.

If you are still firmly committed to the idea that an ecig has to look like a cigarette, the two best choices are Smoov and Smokeless Image Volt. The problem with them is they both use non-standard connectors that lock you into using their parts.

If you can get past the idea that your device has to look like a cigarette, the world opens up. If you can find a local ecig store your best bet is to go there. Most of them are set up to let you try a wide variety of stuff. Otherwise, you just have to order online. Basically, online sites that sell only one item or one brand are not the best idea. You want to shop on a website that offers a wide variety of devices and brands that all use standard connectors so the parts are interchangeable. The most common set-ups use “510” or “eGo” connections, so just look for either of those phrases (even though you don’t know what they mean yet.)

Now for a specific recommendation:

http://www.myfreedomsmokes.com/categories/e-cigarette-starter-kits.html
Scroll down to find the eGo-C Twist VV w/ CE5 eGo Clearomizer Starter Kit.

I recommend that specific kit because it has much bigger batteries than the cigarette-looking type you are using, so the battery will not fade after a few hits. The CE5 clearomizer is probably the least “fussy” atomizer; no fiddly little parts to mess with, they are cheap enough to be considered disposable (expect one to last somewhere between two to six weeks) but you can replace the head for a couple of bucks if you want to mess with it. They are very easy to refill. They produce a lot of vapor and a good flavor (depending on you choice of eliquid). The only drawback (and this applies to most tank type ecigs) is it may leak if you lay it down – find a way to keep the device upright.

You also have to order eliquid to fill the device. There are many. Everybody has different tastes so the only thing to do there is to order several small bottles of different flavors to find what you like. It varies widely, but expect that you will use somewhere between one to three ml per day to get some idea of how much to order. Get enough to last a few weeks while you try the thing out. If you are the type who only goes to the store to buy one pack of cigarettes at a time when you run out, you do have to adjust to ordering your juice in advance.

With the two clearomizers that come in that kit and enough eliquid, you can expect to be smoking for at least a month, probably two or three, then you will need to get some more atomizers (clearomizers) – the batteries will likely last about a year before they need to be replaced. It does require an initial investment, but it turns out to much cheaper than cigarettes or the convenience store ecigs in the long run. In a recent thread I figured out my cost for ecigs to be a little over 40 cents per day and I smoked over two packs a day for many years.

Warning: The page I linked to contains several different starter kits. Do not confuse “starter kit” with “beginner kit”. Feel free to choose a different kit if you like, but DO NOT buy a kit that contains the word “mech” or “mechanical”. Those are not for beginners. There are lots of choices, but an eGo with a clearomizer is the simplest way to get started with satisfying esmoking. It will keep you happy while you learn the ropes and the lingo of the ecig world.

If you want to go one step farther, my favorite current device (although I do still use the CE5 clearomizers) is the iSmoka Bottom Coil Clearomizer. It holds a lot of liquid, produces good vapor and flavor, has fairly cheap replaceable heads, and it doesn’t leak when I lay it down. Try one.

I know it can seem overwhelming trying to sort through all the lingo and technology to get a handle on ecigs. Hope this helps.

A couple of good ecigs reviewers on Youtube:
pbusardo – He goes very in-depth and isn’t afraid to say “It’s bad.” when it’s bad.
grimmgreen – His musician brain drifts and wanders around the theme a bit but he does honest reviews.

And yes, there are lots of places you can buy the same stuff if you want to research and shop around. I chose to link to this particular site because they have put together into a kit what I consider to be the best choices for a beginner and because I have been ordering from them for a couple of years and am sure they sell good quality equipment at a fair price.

BTW: The “bite”, known as “throat hit” in ecig lingo, comes from the PG in the eliquid. The vapor comes from the VG. So a PG based juice will have more throat hit and a VG based juice will produce more smoke but have less throat hit. Most liquids are a mix of both PG and VG although there are a lot of 100% VGs on the market now, mainly just because so many people fear the chemical sounding name of PG. You just have to try them to find what you like. Also, to the OP, I suggest you try some lower than 24mg nicotine eliquids, too. The eGo systems are much more powerful than what you’ve been using and 24 is likely to be too strong. I was a heavy smoker and found that 24 was too much, went to 18 for a while and now use 12mg.

Excellent post, Turble, thanks.

Something worth noting duffer, like you, I felt the e-cigs were inferior to actual smoking. That is until I strayed away from those crappy store bought brands and got into modular e-cigs (like the ones Turble talks about.)

This may sound stupid, but for me, part of what I liked about smoking was being able to exhale and having all that smoke come out. With the store bought ones (like blu cigs) You take a drag and very little comes out. It made me feel like I wasn’t really smoking.

Now I use the E-go and I love it to pieces. It gives me that full chested feel along with a nice throat burn. And now that I’m seven months into it, I prefer this over actual smoking. Even if someone told me I could go back to real cigs and never have to worry about cancer, I still wouldn’t go back. That’s how much I love these damn things now.

That said, the only time I reach for my E-cig is when I’m drinking. So I don’t E-cig as often as most people do. FWIW.

Does the CE5 unscrew at both ends of the tube or just the filling end? I ask because I have a habit of either buying unlabled clearomizers or forgetting which clearomizer I ordered last time. So I’ve got a handful of that shape, but some of them are glued in at the bottom and some unscrew. I vastly prefer to be able to unscrew them so I can get the sucker apart for thorough cleaning. The ones where you can only get the top off for filling are a lot harder to clean well. If I don’t clean mine every day, I get a tickley throat cough; not sure why, but it’s consistent enough to motivate me to clean them well.

Oh, and yes, I completely agree. I was a champion of the cigarette lookalikes for a year, but now I’m a clearomizer cheerleader. Check back in another year and I’ll be into Kangers or something - I’m a late adopter. :wink: But the larger battery of the tank/clearomizer style systems make for a much better and more smoking like satisfying experience. And they’re not nearly so complicated as I feared they would be. Really easy to use and troubleshoot even if you’re not particularly mechanically or electronically minded.

Thank you, Turble, great post! The looks of it don’t matter much, just want to feel like I’m smoking a real cig and this looks like it’lldo the job. I’ll give t a try.

I like the modular approach. I’ve tried many, many kinds of ecigs and starter packages. The system I have settled on contains 2 variable voltage batteries, a USB charger, refillable disposable dual-coil cartomizers, and flavored eliquid. I always have one battery charging while I’m smoking the other. This works for me, because my job is in an office and I’m never far away from a computer.

Specifically:
2x this battery. I like variable voltage batteries, because different juice and cartridge combinations taste different at different voltages. If you get a single voltage battery, you have to be really careful not to choose a cartomizer or atomizer that’s too strong (lower ohms means it will burn more intensely). That can cause it to taste bad or even prematurely burn out your cartridges.
5x this cartomizer. I get the 1.5ohm black XL. The clear ones are prone to cracking and the metal ones burn my lips.
1x this bottle of liquid in the strength/flavor of your choice. I use 18mg TK-TAB flavor, but USA Mix is probably a good choice for a recent convert. I believe it resembles Marlboros. Do a search there if you want a stronger liquid. 24mg is full strength, you can also get 30+mg in some brands.
1x this charger. You can also get a plug to plug it into the wall or your car. I don’t have either of those myself.

5 cartos lasts me about a month, month and a half if I’m lucky. One 50ml bottle of juice lasts me 2-3 weeks. YMMV!

The only thing I will caution against is getting too strong of a liquid strength for your purposes. I had headaches for a couple weeks because I was going through a lot of stress and smoking the thing almost constantly all day long. I cut down from 24mg to 18mg and the headaches went away.

Turble has said pretty much all that needs to be said about e cig choices for beginners!

I started last year by picking up a disposable NJoy at 7-11. I didn’t hate it and it was a good substitute for a situation where I couldn’t smoke for a day. I looked into it more and settled on the Ego type and have been using that for a year now.

Incidentally, I picked up a pack of smokes after quitting for a whole year and after two smokes, threw the pack away. After sucking on delicious pina colada juice, the taste of cigarettes is disgusting, and the smoke made me dizzy and nauseous.

The ones with replaceable heads can unscrew at both ends. Part of the learning curve with ecigs is unscrewing the bottom of the tank when you think you are unscrewing the tank from the battery … and getting a lap full of eliquid. :wink:

I really don’t clean mine, I just throw them away when they start tasting nasty. I know there are a lot of Youtube videos on the subject. Look for “how to clean a clearomizer” and/or “how to dry burn a clearomizer”.
Rachellologram lists a fine set-up too. The KGO is very similar to the eGo, perhaps a bit more sophisticated / complicated, and cartomizers are very popular. It’s a personal choice. I have and use cartomizers but I tend to prefer clearomizers largely because I can see how much juice is in them – so I never end up going out with one that is nearly dry. I also buy from hoosierecig.com; their juice prices are very good. The USA mix she mentioned is my everyday juice and the DK-TAB is another of my favorites.

@duffer If you get that particular kit, here’s a video with some helpful info.


First thing you want to do is fill one of the clearomizers so the juice has a couple of minutes to soak into the wick. Notice that you want to drip it down the side of the tank, not down the air hole in the center post; that will get you a mouthful of juice.

The batteries will be mostly charged and usable right away, so set one up to charge and screw the filled cartomizer onto the other one. Set the voltage (with the dial on the bottom of the battery) to 3.7 volts to start. That is the voltage of a standard eGo battery (The ones you’ve been using are probably 3.3 volts). This is a push-button battery, not the automatic type you’ve been using, so you don’t have to take those “primer puffs” to get it warmed up. Push the button first, then stick it in your mouth … the second or so it takes to move it to your mouth heats up the coil. Don’t suck hard – draw slowly to get the hang of it. It’s quite a bit stronger than what you’ve been using. You’re gonna like this. :wink:

Have fun.
ETA: I have no opinion on the case shown in that video. I don’t think the kit automatically comes with it anymore … and I have never had or used one.

The Volcano ones are expensive but nice. Very elaborate set up. I had to sell mine as it turns out I am highly allergic to the liquid used to make the smoke. Makes me look like I was stung in the mouth by a dozen bees and then punched by someone who didn’t care for that look.

Turble, how do you know all this stuff? In the trade?

I’ve had a few friends quit smoking real cigarettes successfully using e-cigs, so I’m planning to give it a try. I think I’ll be ordering the set Turble linked to tonight.

Well, I almost was. Been trying these things off and on since the first Ruyan ecig, about 2006, I think. Saw many vendors come and go, and ended up with lots of parts that didn’t fit together.

In 2010 I decided to go into the business. Found a factory in China, designed labeling and packaging, started the trademark paperwork, hired a salesman and a website designer, etc. Wired several thousand dollars to China and waited anxiously for them to rip me off. Got the notification that my shipment was on the way. Followed the DHL tracking til shipment landed and was waiting for customs clearance. And then … and then … received notice that customs had seized the shipment per the FDA. They called them “unapproved medical devices.”

And that is the reason they are not advertised as devices to “Quit Smoking”. Most of the advertising now is as something for adult smokers to use. Since I was nearing retirement age then, I decided to leave the legal battles and expenses to others. I still follow the industry a bit, but mainly just to see what’s new that I might want to try.

I have several different devices but I still use my eGo batteries and CE4/CE5 Stardust clearomizers every day.

Clearomizers are really good when they’re good, and really bad when they’re not. I got tired of the inconsistency. Needing to get out a pair of needlenose pliers to fix every 2nd or 3rd one I bought wore thin quickly. They also use juice up at a much faster rate than my cartos. But I can understand why others might prefer them.

The kit comes with the new CE5 version of the clearomizer. Your experience was probably with the CE4. The newer version has a spring-loaded center post that solves the problem of the post getting pushed up when screwed on a little too tightly.

I’ve done a little research into the Fin brand the OP mentioned. It is very similar to the Blu and other mass market devices. They have built up the brand, gotten them into several big chains, Walmart, etc., and are in the process of trying to sell the brand for mucho dinero, kind of like Blue sold to Lorillard for $135 million. One of the other big tobacco companies (don’t remember which one right now) has also recently launched it’s own brand of ecig; the reviews I have seen say “They couldn’t have gotten it more wrong.” So, big tobacco is making moves to take over the ecig market and big pharma is funding the militant anti-smoking crowd to push for banning ecigs, giving the manufacturers of nicotine patches exclusive rights.

One more bit of trivia for those have tried Blu and liked the flavor. The eliquid in Blu is produced by johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com . They won’t sell you the actual Blu juice, but their JC Original is very similar. They have sample sizes available. It tastes pretty good and produces a lot of vapor but is not one of my favorites because it tends to clog up atomizers more quickly than other brands. I do not recommend their ecig devices, though. Better to stick with standard eGo / Kgo stuff.

I’m not hugely concerned about this, but one or two other people I know were: is there any way of verifying that my Chinese juice isn’t going to be full of toxic chemicals (other than nicotine, obviously) given that Chinese safety standards are… lax?

Hangsen and Dekang are two Chinese manufacturers that ship worldwide. They are both big, multinational companies, not small back-alley fly-by nights. Some US vendors specifically sell those two brands. They are what I usually choose.

There are now several companies selling American made eliquid. Johnson Creek, Evo, and Aroma Ejuice are some that I have tried. All tasted good. All are much more expensive than Hangsen. An internet search for “american made eliquid” leads to a lot more vendors.

Another option would be to make your own juice. UnFlavored Nicotine Smoke Juice E-Liquid is FDA inspected lab stuff. Add some USP PG and/or VG, and some US or French made flavoring. Detailed instructions and recipes are easily available; look for DIY eliquid. It’s not difficult. I’ve dabbled with it with fine results; just gotta do your research. It is possible to OD on nicotine but the danger is overblown in the popular press.

The truly concerned could even grow their own tobacco and extract the nicotine at home.

I like Heather’s Heavenly Vapes for USA-made liquid. It’s just not the cheapest option, so I usually end up with Dekang.

Oh great! Thanks for this. Believe it or not I pay around $11.00 US for 200 Hillsboro, made in Dominica from South American tobacco, so the potential for savings with the ecig are just not there unless I can use my fags to make the liquid.

I did a search on Alchem international on the fda website and all I found were import refusal reports. They’re based in India. I don’t know what the FDA practice for inspection of foreign plants but considering the fact that neither nicotine nor e-cigs are regulated yet, I’d be skeptical about the claims that their product is FDA inspected.